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Post#826 at 01-24-2011 04:47 PM by Xer H [at Chicago and Indiana joined Dec 2009 #posts 1,212]
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He is another George Lucas in the making, isn't he?
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Post#827 at 01-24-2011 04:51 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Oh no. He'll probably go-on slobering about "defeating the empire" or why Princess Leia "isn't that into him".

PoC67
But only to change the subject after you've quit moaning about how you had a sucky childhood and will have an irritating elderhood with dangnabbit kids ruining your peace and quiet.

But at the end of the night, I'll still give you the garden hose nozzle to fend off those pesky little buggers from damaging the green foliage.

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Quote Originally Posted by Xer H View Post
He is another George Lucas in the making, isn't he?
Only if millennialX decides to adapt one of my plays.

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#829 at 01-24-2011 05:35 PM by princeofcats67 [at joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,995]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
But only to change the subject after you've quit moaning about how you had a sucky childhood and will have an irritating elderhood with dangnabbit kids ruining your peace and quiet.
Hey! You'll never understand our childhoods...we had it bad...really, Really, REALLY BAD!
We had to.......... and .......... and .........!

Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
But at the end of the night, I'll still give you the garden hose nozzle to fend off those pesky little buggers from damaging the green foliage.

~Chas'88
Oh Thanks. I do know I can't be trusted with the car keys, though. Too bad the Boomers can't realize that....yet.
Maybe you Milly-Civics can convince them. I'm counting on it.

PoC67

PS: FWIW, I get along suprisingly well with Kids(I'm still one myself), but for the most part:
I don't "do" Babies!(lol) There's alot of us Xers like that from what I've seen.
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Only if millennialX decides to adapt one of my plays.

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I'm ready...!
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Post#831 at 01-24-2011 05:54 PM by Xer H [at Chicago and Indiana joined Dec 2009 #posts 1,212]
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Quote Originally Posted by Rose1992 View Post
I suppose this may be a bit hypocritical for me to say as someone on T4T but astrology almost seems rooted in confirmation bias in order to equate a person to a label.

Rose, this one's for you.
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Quote Originally Posted by Xer H View Post
Rose, this one's for you.
Just for housekeeping Purposes, not you specifically X-Man:

My references to Astrology are to the Ancient Study related to Hermeticism, not some current modern-day Belief System.

Same has occured with God of Abraham Religions IMO. The Ancient "Knowledge" that they had in common have become different Belief Systems.

They all have a Spiritual/Irrationally-Experienced basis by means of Mysticism. Christianity-Gnosticism, Judaism-The Kabbalah, and Islam-Sufism. That Mysticism has alot in common with Hermeticism(and other Areas of Ancient Knowledge).

I suspect that Astrology has strayed from it's roots much like the Religions. What?!!!

Just like in our Stock Market World we have the saying:
"Hey, Whatever's working for you" i/r/t Investment/Trading Strategies, I suspect the same could be said for Belief Systems.

IMO, The problem occurs when Individuals don't think ahead and wonder:"What happens if my Belief System stops working for me?"

PoC67

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Post#833 at 01-24-2011 07:43 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Hey! You'll never understand our childhoods...we had it bad...really, Really, REALLY BAD!
We had to.......... and .......... and .........!



Oh Thanks. I do know I can't be trusted with the car keys, though. Too bad the Boomers can't realize that....yet.
Maybe you Milly-Civics can convince them. I'm counting on it.

PoC67

PS: FWIW, I get along suprisingly well with Kids(I'm still one myself), but for the most part:
I don't "do" Babies!(lol) There's alot of us Xers like that from what I've seen.
Most Xers males that I know of and am friends with don't know what to do with a screaming ball of fury, as I've heard most Xers describe babies. They usually describe being with babies as "babysitting" even if the sprogs are of their own making.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#834 at 01-24-2011 07:45 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by millennialX View Post
I'm ready...!
If something I write ever gets popular, you'll be the first person I contact.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#835 at 01-25-2011 12:15 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Rose1992 View Post
It doesn't really matter whether or not there actually was a sign change. It was the way people acted when they realized that their sign changed. I had facebook friends try to justify why they were somehow Pisces all along after believing for 18 years that they were Aries. Those are very different signs with very different personalities. I suppose this may be a bit hypocritical for me to say as someone on T4T but astrology almost seems rooted in confirmation bias in order to equate a person to a label.
It can be sometimes, but that doesn't mean it essentially is. Astrologers have long had views about which sign they think is right. The majority are convinced that the tropical signs fit people well. You relate to your sign on a visceral, deep level, not just to a group of adjectives.
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Post#836 at 01-25-2011 02:21 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
It can be sometimes, but that doesn't mean it essentially is. Astrologers have long had views about which sign they think is right. The majority are convinced that the tropical signs fit people well. You relate to your sign on a visceral, deep level, not just to a group of adjectives.
And IIRC some astrologers believe you have to "grow" into your sign as you age and learning the lesson of the sign in order to move on to the next one, and learning to let go of the sign of your past life. Correct me if I'm wrong Eric, but that's what some Astrologers believe is it not?

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#837 at 01-26-2011 03:52 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
And IIRC some astrologers believe you have to "grow" into your sign as you age and learning the lesson of the sign in order to move on to the next one, and learning to let go of the sign of your past life. Correct me if I'm wrong Eric, but that's what some Astrologers believe is it not?

~Chas'88
Certainly many say that you grow into your sign, but really various aspects in your chart; and that if you know your chart, or in some way know yourself and life better, you can grow. That does not mean grow into the next sign in order (so that if you are a Pisces in this life you will be an Aries in the next). Astrology is never that simplistic.

But the position of lunar nodes may give an indication. These are the places that show where the lunar and earth orbits align, causing eclipses. Most charts show them.

Of course this is way off topic. Astrology needs more discussion on a different thread. I just created one under theories of history.
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Filibuster reform is officially dead.
Tom Harkin, Jeff Merkley, and Tom Udall announce the failure of their plan to reform the filibuster with a "constitutional option."
Here.

Overall, I wish they had succeeded, but I never did understand those who thought there was a realistic chance of filibuster reform actually happening.

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Quote Originally Posted by James50 View Post
Filibuster reform is officially dead.
Here.

Overall, I wish they had succeeded, but I never did understand those who thought there was a realistic chance of filibuster reform actually happening.

James50
There's no point in Democrats supporting it now. I hope they try again some year when they actually have the chance to accomplish something.
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The Democrats had better be extremely careful that they don't fall into "The Twenty-Second Amendment Trap."

So disgusted that Democrat FDR got elected four times, the Republicans ramrodded the eponymous amendment into the Constitution in the 1950s - whereupon it came back to haunt them big time four decades later: Had Ronald Reagan been allowed to run for a third term in 1988, he would have also run for a fourth term in 1992 - and no President Clinton. It wouldn't have even been close.

Similarly, what happens if the Republicans gain control of both the Senate and the White House in 2012?

The Democrats will be left absolutely powerless - that's what.
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.

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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Certainly many say that you grow into your sign, but really various aspects in your chart; and that if you know your chart, or in some way know yourself and life better, you can grow. That does not mean grow into the next sign in order (so that if you are a Pisces in this life you will be an Aries in the next). Astrology is never that simplistic.

But the position of lunar nodes may give an indication. These are the places that show where the lunar and earth orbits align, causing eclipses. Most charts show them.

Of course this is way off topic. Astrology needs more discussion on a different thread. I just created one under theories of history.
Did I imply that it was the next one in order? Sorry. I'm fully aware from something that I read that I was a Cancer in my immediate past life--and that's nowhere near Aquarius.

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Back on topic--
Does anyone else feel like the Tea Party will revolt if Sarah Palin (or someone with an equal amount of cred within the movement) doesn't win the Republican nomination?







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Quote Originally Posted by Rose1992 View Post
Back on topic--
Does anyone else feel like the Tea Party will revolt if Sarah Palin (or someone with an equal amount of cred within the movement) doesn't win the Republican nomination?
Not at all. In fact I doubt Palin even runs. The tea party is about ideas not certain people. The successful Repub candidate will be able to appeal to Tea Party types as well as conventional Republicans and Independents.
Mitch Daniels, Mike Pence, John Thune and Chris Christie,these are conservatives who could have widespread appeal.







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Quote Originally Posted by '58 Flat View Post
... what happens if the Republicans gain control of both the Senate and the White House in 2012?

The Democrats will be left absolutely powerless - that's what.
H-m-m-m. That may not be all bad. Any likely disasters will fall squarely on a single party and its philosophy. In that case, recovery may be possible. If both major parties are tarred, how do we recover?
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Quote Originally Posted by Weave View Post
Not at all. In fact I doubt Palin even runs. The tea party is about ideas not certain people. The successful Repub candidate will be able to appeal to Tea Party types as well as conventional Republicans and Independents.
Mitch Daniels, Mike Pence, John Thune and Chris Christie,these are conservatives who could have widespread appeal.
... or not.
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Quote Originally Posted by '58 Flat View Post
The Democrats had better be extremely careful that they don't fall into "The Twenty-Second Amendment Trap."

So disgusted that Democrat FDR got elected four times, the Republicans ramrodded the eponymous amendment into the Constitution in the 1950s - whereupon it came back to haunt them big time four decades later: Had Ronald Reagan been allowed to run for a third term in 1988, he would have also run for a fourth term in 1992 - and no President Clinton. It wouldn't have even been close.

Similarly, what happens if the Republicans gain control of both the Senate and the White House in 2012?

The Democrats will be left absolutely powerless - that's what.
Ronald Reagan was already senile. The elder Bush is basically the Third Term.

Bill Clinton would have beaten Dubya, which would be a vast improvement in results. Less corrupt, less dictatorial, and more attentive. Would he have figured out that when al-Qaeda was looking into jetliners that the terrorist group whose MO was the use of transportation equipment in terrorist attacks was up to no good?

.....

Most significantly, the GOP is beginning to look like a totalitarian party, adopting its own version of "democratic centralism" (an oxymoron if you know anything about Communist parties) and majority-of-a-majority rule (the term Bolshevik means "majoritarian"), fraudulent language that George Orwell warned humanity about in 1984, front groups (the Tea Party Movement), and Machiavellian techniques of power. It won't be enough to say that free markets will solve all problems that the political order fails at because the economic and political elites will be entwined as tightly as copulating serpents.

GOP failures ensured that the Party could not win enough democratic elections to remain in power in 2006. The Party then learned the lessons of other Parties that can succeed in maintaining power only by excluding others from the process: be more ruthless, doctrinaire, strident, devious, and ferocious.

President Obama knows that he dares not let this election revolve around whether a crooked Governor in Florida can decide who wins or doesn't by deciding who can vote or can;t vote because of some 'felon list' that disqualifies people because they have names similar to some felon.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
H-m-m-m. That may not be all bad. Any likely disasters will fall squarely on a single party and its philosophy. In that case, recovery may be possible. If both major parties are tarred, how do we recover?
People finally pay attention to third parties?

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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
H-m-m-m. That may not be all bad. Any likely disasters will fall squarely on a single party and its philosophy. In that case, recovery may be possible. If both major parties are tarred, how do we recover?
This is why I dislike anything that stands in the way of a democratic result. California's super majority requirements do nothing but harm. I don't think the liberal/progressive solutions are good, but until we try them and find out, we will never know. In cases like California (and to a certain extent the US Senate), the majority is impotent on the most important issues. The system keeps perpetuating itself with no action. We never have a chance to accept or repudiate certain ideas. The parties are stagnating and all you are left with is rage.

James50
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Quote Originally Posted by Weave View Post
Not at all. In fact I doubt Palin even runs. The tea party is about ideas not certain people. The successful Repub candidate will be able to appeal to Tea Party types as well as conventional Republicans and Independents.
Mitch Daniels, Mike Pence, John Thune and Chris Christie,these are conservatives who could have widespread appeal.
I was going to post the same response. It's ALL about Ideas and Principles, not Personalities. Substance over Style.

PoC67

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Quote Originally Posted by James50 View Post
This is why I dislike anything that stands in the way of a democratic result. California's super majority requirements do nothing but harm. I don't think the liberal/progressive solutions are good, but until we try them and find out, we will never know. In cases like California (and to a certain extent the US Senate), the majority is impotent on the most important issues. The system keeps perpetuating itself with no action. We never have a chance to accept or repudiate certain ideas. The parties are stagnating and all you are left with is rage.

James50
Jerry Brown was pretty austere during his last governorship, so we'll see what happens.

However, I live in Illinois. Here we just got a big state income tax hike.
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