Originally Posted by millennialX

Aww man, Lady Gaga...you must be the one who is out of touch and rich one if you believe "a very average three-bedroom house" is something only found in the ghetto and trailer parks. I don't care what your beef is...but I just had to comment on that.

Feeding the troll only makes the troll fatter.

Originally Posted by Hutch74

Feeding the troll only makes the troll fatter.

okay...I'll stop.

Originally Posted by Lady Vagina

Unlike Harrison and Taylor and Obama, we should pick a "commander in chief" who will end our genocidal wars immediately.

I rather like the irony in that the only one of those running this time is a Republican. Not that this lot will vote for him because wealth redistribution is more important to them.

"Originally Posted by Lady Vagina View Post
You have what?

But according to your website and wiki page and tyour postings, you often drop the fact that your daddy was a big player for JFK. I did not know that JFK recruited top tier diplomats from the ghettos and trailer parks.

I hope for your return."

By referring to living in a 3-bedroom house and going to public school as living in "a ghetto or trailer park", Lady V. has marked herself as a child of such privilege that all three are equally a sign of lower-class poverty.

And from her direct quote, it's obvious that she's been so surrounded by and steeped in the neo-feudal aristocratic viewpoint, that the notion of someone of rank recruiting from the lower orders is not only unthinkable, but can only be a transparent lie, because in her world, people of that class recruit only from others of their own class, oh, dear me,yes.

Then why is she crying over the poor oppressed victims like the "genocided" Indians? The quotes being because there are plenty of Indians still around, though I sincerely doubt she'd like the redskinned rednecks we have a lot of out here. I do, but then, I'm of the lower orders myself. Public school, one car in the family, shared a bedroom with my sister, oh, my, how can one endure such squalor?

Well, I won't try to read the good lady's mind. But historically, while the nobility have said some nasty things about the peasantry, the arrival of the middle classes on the scene triggered quite a bond between the lords and the good, salt-of-the-earth peasants who knew their place in the social order and shared many of the same values. Charming, innocent natives often fell into the same category -- "You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din" -- as did lions and tigers and bears and other exotica. And besides, the people committing the genocide were those nasty old middle-class and trailer trash emigrants to our virgin shores. Vulgar beasts that they were.

At any rate, I'm sure Her Ladyship won't want to hear the crass, crude spouting of an old lower-middle-class former office rat. Now, if only we'd vanish off the face of the earth and reduce the surplus population....

So putting aside the troll baiting and returning to topic, it seems that Boehner really wants a deal..or something close to it.. before Sunday night, when the Asian markets open.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

Originally Posted by millennialX

Aww man, Lady Gaga...you must be the one who is out of touch and rich one if you believe "a very average three-bedroom house" is something only found in the ghetto and trailer parks. I don't care what your beef is...but I just had to comment on that.

Lady Vagina is safely on my ignore list, but I saw that last one because it was quoted. She's full of it.

My Wikipedia page was a birthday present some years back from my younger son, and it simply begins by referring to me as "the son of a diplomat." (He wrote it.) Kennedy appointed my father Ambassador to Senegal in 1961 where he served for three years. I actually don't think I've mentioned that on my blog very often. 1961-3 was the only time I lived overseas with my family.

My father at the time of his appointment was teaching at American University's school of foreign service and we lived in suburban Maryland. The house was as I described. Setting the record straight in re Kennedy, he appointed at least a dozen ambassadors who were not wealthy contributors or foreign service officers, but whom he thought would do a good job of representing the US especially in newly independent nations. My father was one of them.

Originally Posted by TnT

I am amazed at the extent to which young people and likely Millies are drawn to computerized social networking. As an old fart, I guess it would be expected that I am not especially attracted to Facebook, twittering, etc.

I wonder if, due to the extremely fast-moving nature of computerized social networking, if the Millie impact on politics might not come almost overnight, once some consolidating event brings them together.

I mean it could happen SO fast it would make all our heads spin.

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Yup. I expect lots of "spontaneous" acts of radicalism by Millies (equivalent to the labor radicalism of the last 4T) to have been planned over social networking sites.

Originally Posted by The Grey Badger

"Originally Posted by Lady Vagina View Post
You have what?

But according to your website and wiki page and tyour postings, you often drop the fact that your daddy was a big player for JFK. I did not know that JFK recruited top tier diplomats from the ghettos and trailer parks.

I hope for your return."

By referring to living in a 3-bedroom house and going to public school as living in "a ghetto or trailer park", Lady V. has marked herself as a child of such privilege that all three are equally a sign of lower-class poverty.

And from her direct quote, it's obvious that she's been so surrounded by and steeped in the neo-feudal aristocratic viewpoint, that the notion of someone of rank recruiting from the lower orders is not only unthinkable, but can only be a transparent lie, because in her world, people of that class recruit only from others of their own class, oh, dear me,yes.

Then why is she crying over the poor oppressed victims like the "genocided" Indians? The quotes being because there are plenty of Indians still around, though I sincerely doubt she'd like the redskinned rednecks we have a lot of out here. I do, but then, I'm of the lower orders myself. Public school, one car in the family, shared a bedroom with my sister, oh, my, how can one endure such squalor?

Well, I won't try to read the good lady's mind. But historically, while the nobility have said some nasty things about the peasantry, the arrival of the middle classes on the scene triggered quite a bond between the lords and the good, salt-of-the-earth peasants who knew their place in the social order and shared many of the same values. Charming, innocent natives often fell into the same category -- "You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din" -- as did lions and tigers and bears and other exotica. And besides, the people committing the genocide were those nasty old middle-class and trailer trash emigrants to our virgin shores. Vulgar beasts that they were.

At any rate, I'm sure Her Ladyship won't want to hear the crass, crude spouting of an old lower-middle-class former office rat. Now, if only we'd vanish off the face of the earth and reduce the surplus population....

People like LadyV are exactly who the term "Latte Liberals" was made for, they are the modern day Xer and Millie version of the pampered upper-middle class suburbanite Silents and Boomers that carried around Mao's Little Red Book

Originally Posted by Odin

People like LadyV are exactly who the term "Latte Liberals" was made for, they are the modern day Xer and Millie version of the pampered upper-middle class suburbanite Silents and Boomers that carried around Mao's Little Red Book

I'm hesitant to put Lady Gaga (okay...Lady V) on my ignore list because at the end of the day, I might miss an entertainment quote from her. Bush was very funny, too.

Originally Posted by millennialX

I'm hesitant to put Lady Gaga (okay...Lady V) on my ignore list because at the end of the day, I might miss an entertainment quote from her. Bush was very funny, too.

You're a *Millennial and thus able to react more calmly, plus she hasn't called you an Uncle Tom.

Originally Posted by Odin

Yup. I expect lots of "spontaneous" acts of radicalism by Millies (equivalent to the labor radicalism of the last 4T) to have been planned over social networking sites.

They blocked facebook in China during some riots in Xiangjiang province because they believed they were using the site to organize.

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

You're a *Millennial and thus able to react more calmly, plus she hasn't called you an Uncle Tom.

True.

Btw, thanks for reminding me that I have to finish "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for a book club meeting next week. Yikes! Maybe I should re-watch the scene in "The King and I" and be done with it. LOL

Originally Posted by pizal81

They blocked facebook in China during some riots in Xiangjiang province because they believed they were using the site to organize.

My husband discovered this on a return trip to China a year or so ago. He was also told that they monitor skype calls too. He was able to get around this using and IPN.

Originally Posted by millennialX

True.

Btw, thanks for reminding me that I have to finish "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for a book club meeting next week. Yikes! Maybe I should re-watch the scene in "The King and I" and be done with it. LOL

Small House of Uncle Thomas

Prince

PS:Rita Moreno is a National Treasure.

Originally Posted by millennialX

True.

Btw, thanks for reminding me that I have to finish "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for a book club meeting next week. Yikes! Maybe I should re-watch the scene in "The King and I" and be done with it. LOL

When I was young you could have made do with the classic comic. They were great. I still haven't read it myself and I know I should.

I'll be pretty surprised if Obama doesn't win considering the appalling candidates he's running against. You've got a Mormon, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, and a lot of other people that really deserve a sitcom here. I'm not saying the left has anything great to give us, but at least there's a sense of normalcy to the democratic side of congress. (people like Bachman and Palin are just, sorry to say this, too crazy for my average suburban parents. I really measure the average American reaction by their political opinions and I think they'd either vote for Obama over someone like Palin-the ones who are too conservative for him, just won't vote.) So far, there's no one credible enough on the democratic side to take Obama's place. I wonder where we'll be in the election of 2016? This will really be the election to see, I'm assuming that our grey champion will emerge from here. I'm going to take a wild guess and say this grey champion will most likely be a democrat or a libertarian. (who goes under the name democrat of course because third parties never seem to get elected during crisis times.)

Originally Posted by Felix5

I'll be pretty surprised if Obama doesn't win considering the appalling candidates he's running against. You've got a Mormon, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, and a lot of other people that really deserve a sitcom here. I'm not saying the left has anything great to give us, but at least there's a sense of normalcy to the democratic side of congress. (people like Bachman and Palin are just, sorry to say this, too crazy for my average suburban parents.

Sence of new normalcy. Change has come and remember how big of deal it was for Obama, considering he was a Black guy with a father from Kenya and his name rhymed with the guy who created a modern tragedy.

Originally Posted by Felix5

I'll be pretty surprised if Obama doesn't win considering the appalling candidates he's running against. You've got a Mormon, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, and a lot of other people that really deserve a sitcom here. I'm not saying the left has anything great to give us, but at least there's a sense of normalcy to the democratic side of congress. (people like Bachman and Palin are just, sorry to say this, too crazy for my average suburban parents. I really measure the average American reaction by their political opinions and I think they'd either vote for Obama over someone like Palin-the ones who are too conservative for him, just won't vote.) So far, there's no one credible enough on the democratic side to take Obama's place. I wonder where we'll be in the election of 1016? This will really be the election to see, I'm assuming that our grey champion will emerge from here. I'm going to take a wild guess and say this grey champion will most likely be a democrat or a libertarian. (who goes under the name democrat of course because third parties never seem to get elected during crisis times.)

My, what "big feet" you have, Mr. Adler!

Prince

PS: If the "shoes" fit...

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

When I was young you could have made do with the classic comic. They were great. I still haven't read it myself and I know I should.

I never did either, to my embarrassment. Maybe it was the association with the term "Uncle Tom," as I am a Boomer after all. Or the sentimentality.

Sence of new normalcy. Change has come and remember how big of deal it was for Obama, considering he was a Black guy with a father from Kenya and his name rhymed with the guy who created a modern tragedy.

lol right, that was such a big deal three year ago in the third turning world. Republicans are really scrambling around, all this disagreeing with Obama is really going to come back and bite them in the ass. Under normal circumstances, in the third turning era, this is just seen as politics. In fact, some people found it admirable when others disagreed with the liberal side of congress (Democrat or Republican) and vice versa. The morality wars were still relevant and conservatives always represented that reactionary side. With silents retiring however, it's just two moral ideologies arguing against each other, and more conservative than liberal. Today in the fourth turning world, it's just seen as absolutely wrong. It's distracting our president from getting anything done. We can't pass a deal on the debt ceiling and August 2 is rapidly approaching. Just the budget debacle alone proves how irrelevant their moral wars are becoming. Putting off the budget because of funding for planned parenthood abortions? Why wasn't this a problem before? Why are they willing to sacrifice the federal government for this? These are the questions people are starting to ask. Republicans (conservatives and neo conservatives in particular) are becoming irrelevant, a road block, and annoying to everyone.

Originally Posted by TnT

I am amazed at the extent to which young people and likely Millies are drawn to computerized social networking. As an old fart, I guess it would be expected that I am not especially attracted to Facebook, twittering, etc.

I wonder if, due to the extremely fast-moving nature of computerized social networking, if the Millie impact on politics might not come almost overnight, once some consolidating event brings them together.

I mean it could happen SO fast it would make all our heads spin.

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I do have a facebook page and have a diverse set of friends, who for the most part, are engaged politically. Something that I have noticed is a lot of recruiting for upcoming demonstrations. Also much talk about revolution and voting for anyone other than the current two party system. I've even read posts from Obama fans indicating that if he let's these severe budget cuts materialize, they will never vote for him again. Most of these conversations on my page are primed for organizing.

Your right on target with how fast people can organize with the current technology.

Originally Posted by Deb C

I do have a facebook page and have a diverse set of friends, who for the most part, are engaged politically. Something that I have noticed is a lot of recruiting for upcoming demonstrations. Also much talk about revolution and voting for anyone other than the current two party system. I've even read posts from Obama fans indicating that if he let's these severe budget cuts materialize, they will never vote for him again. Most of these conversations on my page are primed for organizing.

Your right on target with how fast people can organize with the current technology.

I agree and can say the same thing about those I'm connected to on facebook.

Back on topic? (Really there was no reason to start the facebook discussion on this thread.)

This morning Krugman refers to a forthcoming article in the New York Review of Books by old Washington hand Elizabeth Drew. She says, apparently, that the political geniuses in the White House have decided that the 2010 election was a referendum on government spending, rather than a referendum on the economy, and that therefore the President had to position himself as a spending-cutter, without, of course, any real look at what this would mean for the economy.

There have been some ridiculous things thrown around about me lately as a child of privilege. In one respect that was true. There were Congressmen and Senators, assistant secretaries of this and that, and some fairly well-known journalists in and out of my parents' house all the time. Especially when they were overseas but in Washington as well. So by the time I was sixteen I had had lots of conversations with people like that, mostly GIs and Lost. About five years ago I was at a big event, Presidents and Vietnam, at the JFK Library, where I was on a panel. At dinner Patti and I were sitting with Ted Sorensen, General and Mrs. Al Haig, and General and Mrs. Wesley Clark. Everyone had a grand time, and I sat there thinking, this is how I grew up. It was a lot of fun, I thought, but evidently, it wasn't what I wanted for my own life.

But when I read something like the Drew article I do wish I could talk to some of these people. Perhaps I could persuade one or two that they are governing in the Herbert Hoover mode and can expect a similar result. I'm just being wistful here, it won't happen.

What I'm reading is the Dems are caving:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...oes-down-wire/

Reid is matching the cuts with an increase in the debt ceiling and absolutely no tax increases. These squishy dems are being walked all over by the tea party.

Originally Posted by millennialX

Aww man, Lady Gaga...you must be the one who is out of touch and rich one if you believe "a very average three-bedroom house" is something only found in the ghetto and trailer parks. I don't care what your beef is...but I just had to comment on that.

Millenial, your semse of irony is missing.

The point I made is that ambassadors are not recruited from such places. Maybe they should be.