Originally Posted by James50

I wouldn't count on that.

James50

That's true both ways.

Originally Posted by James50

Anyone think Obama should or will pull the trigger to bomb Iran? Implications for 2012 when he does?James50

We don't need to because the Israelis will try to take on Iran first.

Russia warns against Israeli air strike on Iran (YIKES!)

Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavov has warned that a military strike on Iran would be a “very serious mistake” with “unpredictable consequences”, after Israel’s president Shimon Peres said that an attack was increasingly likely.

Senior Russian security officials accept that the West has legitimate concerns about the nuclear programme though Moscow still says there is no clear evidence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...e-on-Iran.html

As predicted, second woman (one of the original three) is coming out to confirm -

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ainst-cain/?hp

A Second Accuser Goes Public Against Cain

Cain announces press conference at 5pm


I think its over for Hermee.

OMG, he's giving the Press Conference and it looks like he's not even aware that the second woman has come out!

He is either the stupidest man alive or his team will go down as the most incompetent ever.

This is a train wreck.

Update - He'll go for the lie detector test...... but, if it comes to that. WTF does that mean?

Update 2 - he has seen women harass men as well. Could this be a new line of defense?

Update 3 - he says he recognizes the second woman who has come out as the woman who made the offical accusation. He says it was baseless because there was no legal determination of harrassment, it was just an agreement. He really can't be this stupid to think people are going to buy this?

Update 4 - its a machine that is causing these women to come out. He asked us all to go to his recent youtube post -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrFzB3CvU9M

Originally Posted by playwrite

This is a train wreck.

PW - you are enjoying this way too much.

James50

Originally Posted by James50

PW - you are enjoying this way too much.

James50

I figured it out! He's going for Viagra spokesman!

You heard it hear first!

Originally Posted by playwrite

OMG, he's giving the Press Conference and it looks like he's not even aware that the second woman has come out!

He is either the stupidest man alive or his team will go down as the most incompetent ever.

This is a train wreck.

Update - He'll go for the lie detector test...... but, if it comes to that. WTF does that mean?

Update 2 - he has seen women harass men as well. Could this be a new line of defense?

Update 3 - he says he recognizes the second woman who has come out as the woman who made the offical accusation. He says it was baseless because there was no legal determination of harrassment, it was just an agreement. He really can't be this stupid to think people are going to buy this?

Update 4 - its a machine that is causing these women to come out. He asked us all to go to his recent youtube post -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrFzB3CvU9M

I watched the press conference. I had expected that he would come out and give a different version of the story and omit the pushing of the head of in crotch thing along with the other allegations. I was very surprised when he said he had never seen this woman in his life. You know someone else is going to come out and say, "Not true, I saw them together." Or some record will surface showing that he did upgrade her hotel room or some other sort of fact showing that they did know each other.

This guy is such an idiot. You would think he would come up a better defense than that. As I've said before, Hermain Cain isn't ready for prime time.

Of course, maybe he doesn't remember her. Maybe harassing woman is just all in a days work for him and he has harassed so many women that they are just nameless, faceless women to him.

Originally Posted by ASB65

I watched the press conference. I had expected that he would come out and give a different version of the story and omit the pushing of the head of in crotch thing along with the other allegations. I was very surprised when he said he had never seen this woman in his life. You know someone else is going to come out and say, "Not true, I saw them together." Or some record will surface showing that he did upgrade her hotel room or some other sort of fact showing that they did know each other.

This guy is such an idiot. You would think he would come up a better defense than that. As I've said before, Hermain Cain isn't ready for prime time.

Of course, maybe he doesn't remember her. Maybe harassing woman is just all in a days work for him and he has harassed so many women that they are just nameless, faceless women to him.

Or maybe his brain was in the "off" position and he was thinking with another part of his body.

Originally Posted by Deb C

Or maybe his brain was in the "off" position and he was thinking with another part of his body.

I'm beginning to wonder if he lives in an alternate reality than the rest of us. I love how he tries to portray himself as a Washington outsider when he was a lobbyist. How much more of an insider can you get than that? Have you noticed how all these politicians and political talking heads refer him as a friend of theirs? Sounds like he is pretty connected to me.

Originally Posted by ziggyX65

Note that it's "not necessarily" and not strictly "no" because any time a superior has sex with a subordinate in a workplace -- even the White House -- there is some question about how truly consensual it was for the subordinate. Thus it becomes an abuse of power in *appearance* even if not always in actuality.

I'm sorry, I think that is total bs. What you are saying is that the woman is attracted to the older man because of his power. Based on Monica's own story there isn't the slightest doubt that she was the aggressor all the way.

[QUOTE=James50;405593]The counter salvos have begun. This from Cain's campaign.



James50

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Question: How does a woman get sued in a paternity matter? Just curious.

Originally Posted by ASB65

I'm beginning to wonder if he lives in an alternate reality than the rest of us. I love how he tries to portray himself as a Washington outsider when he was a lobbyist. How much more of an insider can you get than that? Have you noticed how all these politicians and political talking heads refer him as a friend of theirs? Sounds like he is pretty connected to me.

I think Amy has nailed that one. I also watched the press conference. It's an interesting question as to whether the hotel records would be available from so long ago to confirm the upgrade--I really have no idea. But I think if 2-3 other women come out with detailed stories, forget it. I think the guy is rather scary because he really is brazening it out convincingly. Except that all the evidence is against him.

I thought the questioning was pathetic. Some one should ask him if he wants the restaurant association to release all the records of the complaints, for heaven's sake. And this "the complaint was found to be baseless" line is. . weird. If so, why did they pay?

He and his high-profile attorney also said there's no corroboration for what she said. That's not true. There's the testimony of her ex-boyfriend and another friend in whom she confided then.

Originally Posted by playwrite

I figured it out! He's going for Viagra spokesman!

You heard it hear first!

Excellent. They don't even need to film it. Just take the end of that commercial (with smoking guy) where Herb does an eight second creepy smile.

[QUOTE=KaiserD2;405683]

Question: How does a woman get sued in a paternity matter? Just curious.

I did a big "Huh?" on that one too. I would like hear an explanation on that one as well.

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

What you are saying is that the woman is attracted to the older man because of his power. Based on Monica's own story there isn't the slightest doubt that she was the aggressor all the way.

Of course some women are attracted to men with power. Alpha male and all.

Even if she was the aggressor, ain't no excuse. Try that one with your wife (if married) when you explain an affair with a 21 year old student. That dog don't hunt.

(My I am folksy sounding tonight).

Originally Posted by playwrite

As predicted, second woman (one of the original three) is coming out to confirm -

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ainst-cain/?hp

Rather than attack accuser 1 via press release why not do it the old fashioned way and leak to friendly press? Dumby. Even Rick Perry knows that trick.

Originally Posted by TeddyR

Of course some women are attracted to men with power. Alpha male and all.

Even if she was the aggressor, ain't no excuse. Try that one with your wife (if married) when you explain an affair with a 21 year old student. That dog don't hunt.

(My I am folksy sounding tonight).

LOL...If my husband came home and said, "I'm sorry honey, but that cute little 21 year old made me sleep with her. I mean, what was I suppose to do?" I wouldn't just say, "Ok, sweetie. No problem. I understand."...Not

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

I'm sorry, I think that is total bs. What you are saying is that the woman is attracted to the older man because of his power. Based on Monica's own story there isn't the slightest doubt that she was the aggressor all the way.

You can think it's total BS, but I think your assessment is total BS. ANY time you have someone in a position of authority in a relationship with a subordinate, there are concerns about just how consensual it was regardless of public comments. And someone in Clinton's position should have known better except that he was a horndog not thinking with his head (the head attached to his neck, anyway). If someone wold betray his wife, why would I think he wouldn't betray me as a mere citizen?

Somehow I doubt if this were a president named Reagan or Bush you'd grant the same free pass.

Originally Posted by ziggyX65

You can think it's total BS, but I think your assessment is total BS. ANY time you have someone in a position of authority in a relationship with a subordinate, there are concerns about just how consensual it was regardless of public comments. And someone in Clinton's position should have known better except that he was a horndog not thinking with his head (the head attached to his neck, anyway). If someone wold betray his wife, why would I think he wouldn't betray me as a mere citizen?

Somehow I doubt if this were a president named Reagan or Bush you'd grant the same free pass.

Ziggy, this has nothing to do with politics. It's simply a fact. There are younger women who want to seduce powerful older men. I'm not saying that means the guy isn't responsible if he says yes, I'm just saying the guy is, often, not the aggressor.

Originally Posted by ASB65

LOL...If my husband came home and said, "I'm sorry honey, but that cute little 21 year old made me sleep with her. I mean, what was I suppose to do?" I wouldn't just say, "Ok, sweetie. No problem. I understand."...Not

You have that right! That's why that old country western song about 'standing by your man' use to tick me off. I think it was written and sung by Loretta Lynn in regards to her husband's cheating ways.

And - there's a good reason why authority figures having sex with their patients, students, or interns, is against the law.

Originally Posted by ziggyX65

You can think it's total BS, but I think your assessment is total BS. ANY time you have someone in a position of authority in a relationship with a subordinate, there are concerns about just how consensual it was regardless of public comments. And someone in Clinton's position should have known better except that he was a horndog not thinking with his head (the head attached to his neck, anyway). If someone wold betray his wife, why would I think he wouldn't betray me as a mere citizen?

Well thank you, Ziggy. That is the same thing I've being trying to drive home over and over again. I couldn't have said it better myself. Even though I've said the exact thing and made those exact points many times on this forum. It's reassuring to know that I'm not alone in my assessment.

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

Ziggy, this has nothing to do with politics. It's simply a fact. There are younger women who want to seduce powerful older men.

Sure there are some. I'm just saying that given the power structure and the boss/subordinate relationship involved here I find it hard to assume that any given case of the boss "doing the hired help" has *no* element of coercion, whether expressed, implied or imagined on the part of the subordinate. They may say otherwise, but the same forces that compel them to "consent" can also be at work in telling them what to say. (The term "hush money" also comes to mind.)

Note I'm not saying it *did* happen like that here, but I find it hard to grant the benefit of the doubt to the superior in cases like these.

And David, you never answered my question. Perhaps you didn't see it. So I will ask it again...

You are a parent. Lets just say hypothetically that when one of your son's was 21 he had gotten an internship at some company. The president of that company was twice his age and was a married woman. And you discovered that while your child was at work, your son was going into that woman's office and performing oral sex on her. Would you have a problem with it? Would you just assume that it was completely consensual? Or would you feel like more than likely this woman was taking advantage of your son? Because, like I said, I would become unglued in that situation.

I feel that even though a 21 year old is legal considered an adult, I don't think they have maturity to parse these kind of things out. And more than likely, that woman would be hearing from both me and my husband.

Originally Posted by ziggyX65

You can think it's total BS, but I think your assessment is total BS. ANY time you have someone in a position of authority in a relationship with a subordinate, there are concerns about just how consensual it was regardless of public comments. And someone in Clinton's position should have known better except that he was a horndog not thinking with his head (the head attached to his neck, anyway). If someone wold betray his wife, why would I think he wouldn't betray me as a mere citizen?

Somehow I doubt if this were a president named Reagan or Bush you'd grant the same free pass.

When the story first broke, I was more angry at Clinton for betraying his marriage vows -- YET AGAIN -- hadn't he learned his lessons from the Gennifer Flowers affair, the dumbass? I think the fact that he was married made the Lewinsky relationship worse as far as I was concerned. I'm not nearly as incensed by the older man/younger woman thing, or the "boss/subordinate" thing. It was clearly a consensual relationship -- if still wrong because the guy made a promise to another woman and didn't live up to it.