Generational Dynamics
Fourth Turning Forum Archive


Popular links:
Generational Dynamics Web Site
Generational Dynamics Forum
Fourth Turning Archive home page
New Fourth Turning Forum

Thread: 2012 Elections - Page 193







Post#4801 at 11-29-2011 10:52 AM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
---
11-29-2011, 10:52 AM #4801
Join Date
Aug 2004
Posts
6,099

Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
One would think that from many interviews with Evangelical women, they will be the ones choosing the GOP's presidential candidate. At least it appears that way. After all, they do carry a flag and a cross.

Only a Confessed Sinner Can Be Redeemed



http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/153...r_herman_cain/
Edit: I'm all for forgiveness but not a fan of fundamentalism.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a







Post#4802 at 11-29-2011 10:58 AM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
---
11-29-2011, 10:58 AM #4802
Join Date
Aug 2004
Posts
6,099

Herman Cain Affair Allegations Prompt Republicans To Call For His Exit

Cain is irrelevant, and the quicker he gets out of the race the better it will be," said Ed Rollins, a longtime Republican strategist. "My fear is that he marches to the beat of his own drum and he may try to drag it on and deny and deny and deny. And my sense is that will likely be the pattern here. But there is no way he can be the nominee of our party. The quicker he gets out, the better for him and for us."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...cid=edlinkusao
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a







Post#4803 at 11-29-2011 12:52 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
---
11-29-2011, 12:52 PM #4803
Join Date
Jul 2005
Location
NYC
Posts
10,443

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
The right-wing Republican Party can't sit still with Romney. It has to flirt with one right-wing crazyman after another. Bachman, Perry, Cain; now Gingrich.
This ad about Romney is devastating not only to him but to the GOP's 2012 cause -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=K9njHHyRI7g#!

Most analysts are concluding that the DNC believes Romney is the eventual GOP candidate and that they are only trying to soften him up for the general election.

I don't think so.

The DNC is trying to take him out in the primaries (Plan A) or, if he is the nominee, have the Far Right of the GOP somewhere between demoralized, not sending cash, staying home, or running a 3rd party candidate (Plan B)

Note in the video, outside of the late-night comedians, the near exclusive use of well-know GOP talking heads to tear into Romney - Chris Wallace, Joe Scarborough, Neil Cavuto, Brit Hume, etc. - that is not aimed at Independents in the General; that is aimed at value-oriented Right wingers that already have a big problem with Romney.

I think this was aimed primarily at getting one of the 'not-Mitt candidates' that would be an easy run for Obama. However, they didn't realize how bad Perry was (I'm pretty sure they knew Cain, Bachman, Paul and Santorum were not going to happen). There is still some hope that Gingrich can pull it off and the DNC would be ecstatic (there's little doubt Newt would self-implode again once the General is underway; if not, Bill Clinton would probably take him out with a single 60 Mintues interview on what really went on back in the ‘90s). There is a risk that their stratey might get them Huntsman, but it’s just too early for him - he's the "better Romney" in 2016 – I think for the DNC, it’s an acceptable risk.

So what this is really about is demoralizing the wingers getting them to not send cash and possible stay home next November. A third party, however, is a stretch for there's no one they can rally around. Gingrich won't go against the GOP, besides he’s got his own problems with the wingers. Ron Paul might but he never polls well; as a 3rd candidate, he could take away enough votes in some swing states, however, to make Obama's run against Romney a cake walk.

It is amazing to compare the "first-stringer" GOP field in 2008 (when a reincarnated Ron Ray-gun wouldn't of had a chance) to this 2012 "back bencher" field in a year that was their's to win. The coming lost could really get underway that inevitable split between the wingers and the banking elites in the GOP; perhaps some sort of crescendo soon after the elections. Add in the demographics, and within a decade, they could go to being a regional party. Got my fingers crossed for that.

Then the banking elites might try to peel off a segment of the establishment type Dems to form a ‘business party’ to oppose those left in the Dem party as labor. That, unfortunately, could lead to the wingers regional party, being the deciding swing vote in elections. Interesting times to come.
Last edited by playwrite; 11-29-2011 at 12:55 PM.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#4804 at 11-29-2011 12:54 PM by herbal tee [at joined Dec 2005 #posts 7,116]
---
11-29-2011, 12:54 PM #4804
Join Date
Dec 2005
Posts
7,116

Cain is finished.
After all the rise of Gingrich has little to do with Newt's continued advocacy of position points that got no attention a month ago.

Simply put, Herman Cain has only his reputation to run on. He's never held public office or otherwise been subjected to public scrutiny. All voters have to go on it Cain's word that he will be responsible with power and all that comes with it.
Yet what little bits of his past we see becoming public does not paint a becoming portrait.







Post#4805 at 11-29-2011 04:26 PM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
---
11-29-2011, 04:26 PM #4805
Join Date
Jul 2002
Location
Arlington, VA 1956
Posts
9,209

Quote Originally Posted by herbal tee View Post
Cain is finished.
It seems like he, or at least his staff, might know it.
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







Post#4806 at 11-29-2011 06:48 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
---
11-29-2011, 06:48 PM #4806
Join Date
Aug 2004
Posts
6,099

Just when I thought my voting for Obama was a bit easier. UGH!

“The sad reality here is that the president appointed strong leaders to the environmental, health, and safety agencies, but has undermined them over and over by allowing OIRA to substitute its judgment for the expertise of the agencies,” Steinzor said in a statement.

Study shows more regulations changed under Obama than under President Bush

Administration involvement in the work of regulators has increased since President Obama took office, according to a study from a liberal think tank.

The Center for Progressive Reform (CPR) report released Monday claims Obama officials have changed more regulations than the administration of George W. Bush.

While the Bush administration altered 64 percent of regulations it reviewed, the Obama administration has changed 76 percent, the study found.

“President Obama promised to free government from the grip of special interests, but instead he’s opened the White House doors wide to industry lobbyists seeking to block needed health and safety protections, further politicizing the regulatory process” said report co-author and CPR President Rena Steinzor in a statement.

The study accuses the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) of overstepping its boundaries by needlessly stalling and altering regulations. The CPR report claims OIRA is also disproportionately focused on the regulations coming out of the Environmental Protection Agency.

OIRA spokeswoman Meg Reilly declined to comment on the report but defended the agency’s work in an email to The Hill.

“The review process is facilitated by [the Office of Management and Budget], but there are many agencies involved and any improvements made to rules are the reflection of rigorous interagency analysis and discussion. The result is more effective, cost-justified, science-based rules,” she wrote.

“I don’t think anyone believes that, at a time when we need to support economic recovery and job creation with smarter rulemaking, we should weaken regulatory analysis."

Steinzor said the study shows the Obama administration is running roughshod over federal regulators.

More: http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...han-under-bush
Last edited by Deb C; 11-29-2011 at 06:52 PM.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a







Post#4807 at 11-29-2011 07:40 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
---
11-29-2011, 07:40 PM #4807
Join Date
Jul 2001
Location
San Jose CA
Posts
22,504

I wonder if what is happening to Cain could backfire on Gingrich, given that Gingrich has done the same sorts of things in the past. Will the Christian right wing really settle for Gingrich? Is it really enough that he has supposedly "confessed" his past errors?
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive,

Eric A. Meece







Post#4808 at 11-29-2011 08:31 PM by wtrg8 [at NoVA joined Dec 2008 #posts 1,262]
---
11-29-2011, 08:31 PM #4808
Join Date
Dec 2008
Location
NoVA
Posts
1,262

I hope he veto's this Bill. Now you understand why I could never vote for that old fcuk, Senator McCain.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rist-custody-/

I wouldn't turn in my worst enemy if any American lost his/ her ability to protest. You hear this, Eric the Green, Pb and Playwright.

Senator Rand Paul speaking on admending this Law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=anjVgWNzQnk#!
Last edited by wtrg8; 11-29-2011 at 08:39 PM.







Post#4809 at 11-29-2011 08:34 PM by wtrg8 [at NoVA joined Dec 2008 #posts 1,262]
---
11-29-2011, 08:34 PM #4809
Join Date
Dec 2008
Location
NoVA
Posts
1,262

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I wonder if what is happening to Cain could backfire on Gingrich, given that Gingrich has done the same sorts of things in the past. Will the Christian right wing really settle for Gingrich? Is it really enough that he has supposedly "confessed" his past errors?
Doubt it...Time for Touchdown Jesus to return.

I plan on writing in and vote for Gov. Gary Johnson if he leaves the GOP party.







Post#4810 at 11-30-2011 01:48 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
---
11-30-2011, 01:48 AM #4810
Join Date
May 2005
Location
"Michigrim"
Posts
15,014

Quote Originally Posted by wtrg8 View Post
I hope he veto's this Bill. Now you understand why I could never vote for that old fcuk, Senator McCain.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rist-custody-/

I wouldn't turn in my worst enemy if any American lost his/ her ability to protest. You hear this, Eric the Green, Pb and Playwright.

Senator Rand Paul speaking on admending this Law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=anjVgWNzQnk#!
I concur.

This country does not need dictatorial powers to suppress outright terrorism. All terrorists are criminals, and out heritage of freedom has forced law enforcement to become more clever and efficient in investigating overt crime. Following a money trail or a paper trail is far more reliable than beating out a confession.

It's amazing that I can agree with Rand Paul on something. If we abandon the traditional norms of due process than we have the sort of political system in which things get worse and make dissidence a necessity... and a crime. We could easily become a plutocratic version of the unlamented Soviet Union complete with torture chambers, 'labor' camps in insalubrious places with starvation for those who fail to meet impossible quotas, 'psychiatric' hospitals that treat dissent as if it were schizophrenia, controlled media and stooge unions, and of course an aggressive foreign policy. Woe would it be for anyone who obeys his conscience instead of the Party boss.

Maybe instead of a bullet to the back of the head it would be a lobotomy for a dissident. I fail to notice the improvement.

The President needs to veto this legislation. It is enough (not that I disagree on this) that the President has the blood of Osama bin Laden on his hands. He has far exceeded expectations in the struggle against terrorism.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#4811 at 11-30-2011 03:50 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
---
11-30-2011, 03:50 AM #4811
Join Date
Jul 2001
Location
San Jose CA
Posts
22,504

Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
I concur.

This country does not need dictatorial powers to suppress outright terrorism. All terrorists are criminals, and out heritage of freedom has forced law enforcement to become more clever and efficient in investigating overt crime. Following a money trail or a paper trail is far more reliable than beating out a confession.

It's amazing that I can agree with Rand Paul on something. If we abandon the traditional norms of due process than we have the sort of political system in which things get worse and make dissidence a necessity... and a crime. We could easily become a plutocratic version of the unlamented Soviet Union complete with torture chambers, 'labor' camps in insalubrious places with starvation for those who fail to meet impossible quotas, 'psychiatric' hospitals that treat dissent as if it were schizophrenia, controlled media and stooge unions, and of course an aggressive foreign policy. Woe would it be for anyone who obeys his conscience instead of the Party boss.

Maybe instead of a bullet to the back of the head it would be a lobotomy for a dissident. I fail to notice the improvement.

The President needs to veto this legislation. It is enough (not that I disagree on this) that the President has the blood of Osama bin Laden on his hands. He has far exceeded expectations in the struggle against terrorism.
I agree completely and our Senators need to hear from us now.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive,

Eric A. Meece







Post#4812 at 11-30-2011 03:51 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
---
11-30-2011, 03:51 AM #4812
Join Date
Jul 2001
Location
San Jose CA
Posts
22,504

Quote Originally Posted by wtrg8 View Post
Doubt it...Time for Touchdown Jesus to return.

I plan on writing in and vote for Gov. Gary Johnson if he leaves the GOP party.
If the GOP ever pays him any attention, he could be a formidable candidate (according to my astrological analysis)

He won't get that attention though, at least in the next few months. An independent run? Maybe....
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive,

Eric A. Meece







Post#4813 at 11-30-2011 07:44 AM by wtrg8 [at NoVA joined Dec 2008 #posts 1,262]
---
11-30-2011, 07:44 AM #4813
Join Date
Dec 2008
Location
NoVA
Posts
1,262

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
If the GOP ever pays him any attention, he could be a formidable candidate (according to my astrological analysis)

He won't get that attention though, at least in the next few months. An independent run? Maybe....
The Libertarian Party has already contacted him and is seriously considering it.







Post#4814 at 11-30-2011 09:27 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
---
11-30-2011, 09:27 AM #4814
Join Date
Sep 2006
Location
Moorhead, MN, USA
Posts
14,442

Support cools for the Tea Party and the GOP

...

...

...

Now, here’s the bad news for the GOP. Its unfavorable rating among the general public has always been higher than its favorable. Back in September 2010, it was a 49 percent-43 percent split. Today, it’s 55 percent-36 percent. More ominous for the Republican party is that even its standing in Tea Party districts has gone underwater. In September 2010, the GOP was viewed favorably in those districts by 51 percent and unfavorably by 43 percent. Today, the party is viewed favorably by 41 percent and unfavorably by 48 percent.

Basically, the cranky electorate that threw the bums out in 2008, in special elections in 2009 and in the midterms of 2010 remains so. And why shouldn’t they be? The dysfunction in Washington, especially over the last year, has given them plenty to be angry about.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism







Post#4815 at 11-30-2011 12:31 PM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
---
11-30-2011, 12:31 PM #4815
Join Date
Jan 2011
Location
Back in Jax
Posts
1,962

Yeah, for the last couple weeks, the generic congressional ballot poll has started opening a gap in favor of Democrats. And that is according to RCP where the only poll favoring Republicans is the over-represented and unreliable Rasmussen.

On the presidential election, Obama has a tough time against "generic Republican," but he leads any of the actual candidates by at least 5 points.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.

'82 - Once & always independent







Post#4816 at 11-30-2011 12:33 PM by herbal tee [at joined Dec 2005 #posts 7,116]
---
11-30-2011, 12:33 PM #4816
Join Date
Dec 2005
Posts
7,116

Quote Originally Posted by wtrg8 View Post
The Libertarian Party has already contacted him and is seriously considering it.
If the coming generational allignment affects the GOP the way that I think it will then sometime by early in the 2020's a candidate like Gary Johnson will have at least a realistic chance to win the Republican nomination. But for the next couple of cycles I'm afraid that we're still going to be stuck with the inertia of the culture war era coalitions.

I did write coalitions in plural because the hangover from the 3T alliances still prevades the Democrats to but we won't really be able to measure it's extent again until 2016 when there should be an open race for the Democratic nomination.
Last edited by herbal tee; 11-30-2011 at 12:35 PM.







Post#4817 at 11-30-2011 01:37 PM by jadams [at the tropics joined Feb 2003 #posts 1,097]
---
11-30-2011, 01:37 PM #4817
Join Date
Feb 2003
Location
the tropics
Posts
1,097

Regional Cultures

Not sure where to post this but here is an interesting article on America's regional cultures and the future of the Tea Party: http://www.alternet.org/story/153255...d/?page=entire

The following is a brief excerpt:

Backed by the Midlands, the Left Coast, and the Far West, Yankeedom dominated the federation in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, though Reconstruction lost them the support of Appalachia. In the following decades, alliances shifted around based on the fear of Yankee-directed federal power, but over the past half century the regional blocs have remained stable. Yankeedom, New Netherland, and the Left Coast have faced off against the Deep South, Tidewater, Greater Appalachia, and the Far West over civil rights, the Vietnam and Iraq wars, the environmental and gay rights movements, health care and financial reform, and the last three presidential elections.



The “northern” alliance has consistently favored the maintenance of a strong central government, federal checks on corporate power, and the conservation of natural resources, regardless of which party was dominant in the region at any given time. (Recall that prior to the civil rights struggle of the 1960s, the Republicans were the party of Yankeedom.) The presidents they have produced—John F. Kennedy, Gerald Ford, George H. W. Bush, and Barack Obama—have all sought to better society through government programs, expanded civil rights protections, and environmental safeguards. All faced opposition from the Dixie-led nations even from within their own parties. With the southern takeover of the GOP, all three nations have become overwhelmingly Democratic in recent years.



The goal of the Deep Southern oligarchy has been consistent for four centuries: to control and maintain a one-party state with a colonial-style economy based on large-scale agriculture and the extraction of primary resources by a compliant, low-wage workforce with as few labor, workplace safety, health care, and environmental regulations as possible. Not until the 1960s was it compelled by African American uprisings and external intervention to abandon caste, sharecropper, and poll tax systems designed to keep the disadvantaged majority of their region’s population out of the political process. Since then, they have relied on fear-mongering— over racial mixing, gun control, illegal immigrants, and the alleged evils of secularization—to maintain support. In office they’ve instead focused on cutting taxes for the rich, funneling massive subsidies to agribusiness and oil companies, rolling back labor and environmental programs, and creating “guest worker” programs and “right to work” laws to ensure a cheap, compliant labor supply. Tidewater, weakened to satellite status over the past 150 years, has fallen in line. But keeping Greater Appalachia and, now, the Far West in the coalition has been trickier, as both have strong populist and libertarian streaks that run counter to the interests of the modern-day southern aristocracy.
jadams

"Can it be believed that the democracy that has overthrown the feudal system and vanquished kings will retreat before tradesmen and capitalists?" Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America







Post#4818 at 11-30-2011 02:53 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
---
11-30-2011, 02:53 PM #4818
Join Date
Sep 2006
Location
Moorhead, MN, USA
Posts
14,442

Awesome article, JAdams. This fits my neck of the woods really well:

since the outset Yankeedom has put great emphasis on perfecting earthly society through social engineering, individual self-denial for the common good, and the aggressive assimilation of outsiders. It has prized education, intellectual achievement, community (rather than individual) empowerment, and broad citizen participation in politics and government, the latter seen as the public’s shield against the machinations of grasping aristocrats, corporations, and other tyrannies.
And explains why our culture drives Libertarian types crazy.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism







Post#4819 at 11-30-2011 03:28 PM by James50 [at Atlanta, GA US joined Feb 2010 #posts 3,605]
---
11-30-2011, 03:28 PM #4819
Join Date
Feb 2010
Location
Atlanta, GA US
Posts
3,605

Backed by the Midlands, the Left Coast, and the Far West, Yankeedom dominated the federation in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, though Reconstruction lost them the support of Appalachia. In the following decades, alliances shifted around based on the fear of Yankee-directed federal power, but over the past half century the regional blocs have remained stable. Yankeedom, New Netherland, and the Left Coast have faced off against the Deep South, Tidewater, Greater Appalachia, and the Far West over civil rights, the Vietnam and Iraq wars, the environmental and gay rights movements, health care and financial reform, and the last three presidential elections.

The “northern” alliance has consistently favored the maintenance of a strong central government, federal checks on corporate power, and the conservation of natural resources, regardless of which party was dominant in the region at any given time. (Recall that prior to the civil rights struggle of the 1960s, the Republicans were the party of Yankeedom.) The presidents they have produced—John F. Kennedy, Gerald Ford, George H. W. Bush, and Barack Obama—have all sought to better society through government programs, expanded civil rights protections, and environmental safeguards. All faced opposition from the Dixie-led nations even from within their own parties. With the southern takeover of the GOP, all three nations have become overwhelmingly Democratic in recent years.
Pretty good up to here.

This is pure prejudice and stereotypical poppycock.

The goal of the Deep Southern oligarchy has been consistent for four centuries: to control and maintain a one-party state with a colonial-style economy based on large-scale agriculture and the extraction of primary resources by a compliant, low-wage workforce with as few labor, workplace safety, health care, and environmental regulations as possible. Not until the 1960s was it compelled by African American uprisings and external intervention to abandon caste, sharecropper, and poll tax systems designed to keep the disadvantaged majority of their region’s population out of the political process. Since then, they have relied on fear-mongering— over racial mixing, gun control, illegal immigrants, and the alleged evils of secularization—to maintain support. In office they’ve instead focused on cutting taxes for the rich, funneling massive subsidies to agribusiness and oil companies, rolling back labor and environmental programs, and creating “guest worker” programs and “right to work” laws to ensure a cheap, compliant labor supply. Tidewater, weakened to satellite status over the past 150 years, has fallen in line. But keeping Greater Appalachia and, now, the Far West in the coalition has been trickier, as both have strong populist and libertarian streaks that run counter to the interests of the modern-day southern aristocracy.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton







Post#4820 at 11-30-2011 06:13 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
---
11-30-2011, 06:13 PM #4820
Join Date
Jul 2001
Location
San Jose CA
Posts
22,504

Quote Originally Posted by James50 View Post

This is pure prejudice and stereotypical poppycock.



James50
The inordinate support for Republicans in the South (especially among whites, up to 90% in the deep south), compared to other places, and their policies which are well described in the quoted piece, proves that it is not poppycock. That's why the Republicans are in danger of becoming the regional party of the South, unless more people in the South wake up and throw over their current ideologies, powers, prejudices and fears. It has started to happen, particularly as people from the north migrate into places like North Carolina and Northern VA. Then the Republican Party would have to change, or die.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive,

Eric A. Meece







Post#4821 at 11-30-2011 06:16 PM by James50 [at Atlanta, GA US joined Feb 2010 #posts 3,605]
---
11-30-2011, 06:16 PM #4821
Join Date
Feb 2010
Location
Atlanta, GA US
Posts
3,605

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
The inordinate support for Republicans in the South (especially among whites, up to 90% in the deep south), compared to other places, and their policies which are well described in the quoted piece, proves that it is not poppycock. That's why the Republicans are in danger of becoming the regional party of the South, unless more people in the South wake up and throw over their current ideologies, powers, prejudices and fears. It has started to happen, particularly as people from the north migrate into places like North Carolina and Northern VA. Then the Republican Party would have to change, or die.
Then explain why the legislatures of places like Wisconsin and Ohio are now republican, and indeed why, in the 2010 election, Republicans captured a majority of state legislatures. Pretty good for a "regional party".Remember the left is fact based.James50
Last edited by James50; 11-30-2011 at 06:44 PM.
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton







Post#4822 at 11-30-2011 06:27 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
---
11-30-2011, 06:27 PM #4822
Join Date
Jul 2005
Location
NYC
Posts
10,443

Quote Originally Posted by James50 View Post
The explain why the legislatures of places like Wisconsin and Ohio are now republican, and indeed why, in the 2010 election, Republicans captured a majority of state legislatures. Pretty good for a "regional party".

Remember the left is fact based.

James50
Even a dead cat will bounce.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#4823 at 11-30-2011 06:47 PM by James50 [at Atlanta, GA US joined Feb 2010 #posts 3,605]
---
11-30-2011, 06:47 PM #4823
Join Date
Feb 2010
Location
Atlanta, GA US
Posts
3,605

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Even a dead cat will bounce.
Is there anything more vile than alternet?

(Heh. I have been waiting for several days for an opportunity to say that.)

James50
Last edited by James50; 11-30-2011 at 07:11 PM.
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton







Post#4824 at 11-30-2011 07:28 PM by wtrg8 [at NoVA joined Dec 2008 #posts 1,262]
---
11-30-2011, 07:28 PM #4824
Join Date
Dec 2008
Location
NoVA
Posts
1,262

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
The inordinate support for Republicans in the South (especially among whites, up to 90% in the deep south), compared to other places, and their policies which are well described in the quoted piece, proves that it is not poppycock. That's why the Republicans are in danger of becoming the regional party of the South, unless more people in the South wake up and throw over their current ideologies, powers, prejudices and fears. It has started to happen, particularly as people from the north migrate into places like North Carolina and Northern VA. Then the Republican Party would have to change, or die.
The part I agree on is this; The Virginia State GOP is pushing their regional buddies into positions which the local GOP do not support. I voted for Pat Herrity and all I got was this Fimian -State GOP lackey.







Post#4825 at 11-30-2011 09:02 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
---
11-30-2011, 09:02 PM #4825
Join Date
Jul 2005
Location
NYC
Posts
10,443

Quote Originally Posted by James50 View Post
Is there anything more vile than alternet?

(Heh. I have been waiting for several days for an opportunity to say that.)

James50

wheeee!!!!

I need to grow another foot or something because that went right over my head.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
-----------------------------------------