Didn't you read the beginning of the article? 2010 was a blip in the Northern Tier states like Wisconsin and Maine. Ohio has a strong amount of Appalachia influence.Originally Posted by James50
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
The Tea Party was the major factor in the 2010 midterms. Considering the demographics of that electorate, and the fact that several GOP candidates for president are trying to mitigate the the anti hispanic appeal of at least part of their message, it's an election outcome that many, including Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich know is running on borrowed time.
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Cain doesn't know China has Nukes.
Perry thinks the voting age is 21.
Now Bachmann thinks we have an embassy in Teheran.
And yet somehow, the most intelligent, thoughtful and informed candidate, Jon Huntsman, draw flies in the polls. What has happened to the Republican party?
So if the race card is relevant here, why are 90% of urban blacks (or more) supporting the Democrats? It goes both ways.
I think the original piece is vastly oversimplified. "Yankeedom" is a misnomer. New England has almost never had a dominant role in national politics--the Midwest, not the Northeast, dominated in the late 19th century. The two Roosevelts and JFK ran the only Administrations that came close to fitting that model. Meanwhile, the South had a progressive economic/political tradition (not always dominant to be sure) for the first 2/3 of the twentieth century.
I am afraid the stories coming out lately are true: the Administration hopes to win with a coalition of minorities, single women, and well educated white folks, knowing that lesser white folks are deserting them in droves. That depresses me very much.
David Kaiser '47
My blog: History Unfolding
My book: The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy
Sorry, things move pretty fast in the forum sometimes. I was parroting someone who asked if anything was more vile than Fox news a few days ago. Alternet is often quoted here but to me is no closer to the truth than Fox. I guess it was a joke only to me.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
[QUOTE=James50;409577]Pretty good up to here.
This is pure prejudice and stereotypical poppycock:
The rural Deep South has been oligarchic. Methods may change with technology, but as a rule the southern big landowners have long sought a hypocritical combination of libertarianism for elites but a command system for non-elites. There might be exceptions in the more urban areas where the planter elites do not have full command of economic life (Houston, Mobile, New Orleans, the Mississippi Gulf Coast, Memphis, and Little Rock) and where the dominant culture is non-Anglo (Cajun or Mexican-American) -- and their dominion has not always been complete, as during Reconstruction and the decade or so after the Civil Rights movement (culminating in the one-time 1976 election of Jimmy Carter, who swept all former Confederate States except Virginia and whose election was the last by a Democrat that depended upon winning the South). The South has had its episodes of populism interspersed with harsh reaction, and the Deep South has become one of the more reactionary parts of America.The goal of the Deep Southern oligarchy has been consistent for four centuries: to control and maintain a one-party state with a colonial-style economy based on large-scale agriculture and the extraction of primary resources by a compliant, low-wage workforce with as few labor, workplace safety, health care, and environmental regulations as possible. Not until the 1960s was it compelled by African American uprisings and external intervention to abandon caste, sharecropper, and poll tax systems designed to keep the disadvantaged majority of their region’s population out of the political process. Since then, they have relied on fear-mongering— over racial mixing, gun control, illegal immigrants, and the alleged evils of secularization—to maintain support. In office they’ve instead focused on cutting taxes for the rich, funneling massive subsidies to agribusiness and oil companies, rolling back labor and environmental programs, and creating “guest worker” programs and “right to work” laws to ensure a cheap, compliant labor supply. Tidewater, weakened to satellite status over the past 150 years, has fallen in line. But keeping Greater Appalachia and, now, the Far West in the coalition has been trickier, as both have strong populist and libertarian streaks that run counter to the interests of the modern-day southern aristocracy.
Southern blacks, except to some extent in southern Louisiana (Cajun Country is arguably an extension of Quebec), are as Anglo as they could be. Whatever culture they might have brought from Africa or the Caribbean was broken and obliterated early, and whatever cultural distinction they have from southern whites is one of class more than of ethnicity. Whatever southern blacks have as differences from the surrounding southern white culture is the result of innovations in America that white people rejected in the South. Maybe blacks in Virginia and North Carolina have had more chance to adopt some of the cultural ways of (Midlands) German-American culture; both states had early mass settlement by Swiss and German Mennonites and by Germans and Germanized Moravian Bretheren, but such settlers were rare elsewhere in the South. Then there is southern Louisiana. Florida is no longer a Southern state, and Texas is Southern only as far west as a line from about Dallas to Victoria.
The South has had its episodes of populism, typically when the Southern oligarchy has weakened or lost credibility. It made a sort of peace with the Civil Rights movement by localizing politics so that Chicago-style machines operate even in small towns. Such, alas, gets the Chicago-style corruption without the efficiency. Due to racial polarization in the electorate in the Deep South (as opposed to the "Upper South" which has far fewer blacks) it is possible for corrupt politicians to become entrenched because white people won't vote out crooked white politicians in favor of a black politician who offers reform, and black people won't vote out crooked black politicians in favor of a white politician who offers reform. The solution in most other parts of the country is "Throw the bums out!" If the Deep South ever gets a Good Government movement, then the South may be in for a new populist episode that could shake nationwide politics.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Well two things are going on actually: One is that "South Florida" and everything that moniker implies is bleeding northward, even into coastal cities like Savannah and Charleston, while the Middle Atlantic "Metropolis" is bleeding southward, into Virginia and North Carolina.
If both trends continue, the entire I-95 corridor will be blue by 2020-25 - that is to say, at the end of the current 4T.
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
Because the left idiotically talked itself out of participating in the midterm elections of 2010, that's why. And so now they have to scramble to undo the damage that Walker and Kasich are doing to their respective states.
Good point. Ashville, NC is an example of the same thing in Greater Appalachia.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
The nation is suffering from an inability to commit ourselves to broader national purposes. When one argues for decades that government, the symbol of our unified national purpose, is the problem, it becomes difficult to commit to any broader purpose than one's own welfare. This is now showing up rather dramatically in the Republican campaign.
This spot about Gingrich has been put out by the Ron Paul campaign. (Note the very interesting use of Limbaugh as the ex cathedra authority.) There will be more such. I think there's a good chance that the Republicans will destroy each other the way the Democrats did in 1972, albeit without quite such dramatic effects.
David Kaiser '47
My blog: History Unfolding
My book: The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy
I think letting that RW sentiment have full voice was an eye opener, and not something that can be duplicated through discourse. The pitch(wo)men of the GOP can try to explain why they went for the throats of average working people, just to preserve the benefits of the 1%. I'm sorry that your state had to be one of the test cases, but it could have been worse. California has been hobbled by Prop 13 for decades, so be grateful for that at least.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
Yes it is! Places like OH and WI do not vote Republican in every election, and whites do not vote 90% Republican in any election there. 2010 was indeed a Republican victory on a national scale. But how long can the Reps continue to dupe the public with their outdated ideologies, when more and more people are seeing the results they create in our government? Perhaps not much longer. Our survival as a nation depends on more and more Republicans biting the dust. Those who persist in seeing the current failures as bipartisan, are being willfully blind.
Although the polls suggest Obama and the Democrats are gaining slightly these days. If Obama continues to take action on the economy, he will do better. Let's hope he does, and let's ask him to do it! Even better mortgage and student-loan policies would help; what he did was only a start, but it made an impression that he was doing something, and his poll numbers went up as a result. Email him and tell him.
Places like OH and WI do not vote Democratic in every election, even though blacks vote 90% Democrat in every election there. 2008 was indeed a Democratic victory on a national scale. But how long can the Dems continue to dupe the public with their outdated ideologies, when more and more people are seeing the results they create in our government? Perhaps not much longer. Our survival as a nation depends on more and more Democrats biting the dust. Those who persist in seeing the current failures as bipartisan, are being willfully blind.
Now that was too easy.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
On a more serious note, it looks like Newt is making a real run right now. With his history, there are real problems with his candidacy. But I have to admit it would be fun to see a debate between Obama and Gingrich.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
That is only easy if one suspends objective reality.Places like OH and WI do not vote Democratic in every election, even though blacks vote 90% Democrat in every election there. 2008 was indeed a Democratic victory on a national scale. But how long can the Dems continue to dupe the public with their outdated ideologies, when more and more people are seeing the results they create in our government? Perhaps not much longer. Our survival as a nation depends on more and more Democrats biting the dust. Those who persist in seeing the current failures as bipartisan, are being willfully blind.
Now that was too easy.
James50
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
I can't see.
Hey, don't quote me. Quote Eric. Its his line.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
Enough said.
Eric, I thought you were a Green Party guy? Why such rabid support of the Dems?
I don't rabidly support the Dems; I rabidly oppose the Republicans.
It is quite easy to see that the fault of our current condition is not bipartisan; it is chiefly Republican. Who has supported Reaganomics? Who appoints justices that uphold corporate campaign spending? Who respond to Wall Street lobbyists to oppose the sensible Dodd-Frank reforms? Who opposes taxes on the rich and demands higher taxes on the rest of us? Who sent our boys abroad to fight needless oil wars? Who is actively seeking to overturn every needed environmental and green initiative and regulation? Come on folks, don't be willfully blind to the facts. Oppose the Republicans and send them packing. And stay active from now on.
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Easy to understand as completely correct?Places like OH and WI do not vote Democratic in every election, even though blacks vote 90% Democrat in every election there. 2008 was indeed a Democratic victory on a national scale. But how long can the Dems continue to dupe the public with their outdated ideologies, when more and more people are seeing the results they create in our government? Perhaps not much longer. Our survival as a nation depends on more and more Democrats biting the dust. Those who persist in seeing the current failures as bipartisan, are being willfully blind.
Now that was too easy.
James50
If either Gary Johnson or Ron Paul do run as an independent, it could spell serious trouble for the GOP if Romney wins the nomination - for in that case, enough white voters in states like Alabama and Mississippi could get siphoned off for the unthinkable to happen and Obama to actually carry such states.
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
I only am trying hold up a mirror to try to get you to see yourself as others see you. Your hyper-partisanship is unbecoming. I am not sure why you find it so satisfying. It is hardly persuasive.
If I were you, I would try to spend more time seeking the good intentions of others - including the Republicans.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
What do you get when lesser evil compromises with greater evil?
Not sure, but it probably ain't good.
Eric gets this; others, not so much.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
