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Post#5126 at 12-19-2011 05:46 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
Looks like a roller coaster ride.

Paul takes lead as Gingrich collapses in Iowa


Raleigh, N.C. Newt Gingrich's campaign is rapidly imploding, and Ron Paul has now
taken the lead in Iowa. He's at 23% to 20% for Mitt Romney, 14% for Gingrich, 10%
each for Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Perry, 4% for Jon Huntsman, and 2% for Gary Johnson.


Gingrich has now seen a big drop in his Iowa standing two weeks in a row. His share of the vote has gone from 27% to 22% to 14%. And there's been a large drop in his
personal favorability numbers as well from +31 (62/31) to +12 (52/40) to now -1 (46/47).


Negative ads over the last few weeks have really chipped away at Gingrich's image as
being a strong conservative- now only 36% of voters believe that he has 'strong
principles,' while 43% think he does not.


Paul's base of support continues to rely on some unusual groups for a Republican
contest. Among voters under 45 he's at 33% to 16% for Romney and 11% for Gingrich.


Paul is also cleaning up 35-14 with the 24% of voters who identify as either Democrats or independents. Romney is actually ahead 22-19 with GOP voters.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...IA_1218925.pdf
I'd be fine with a Ron Paul nomination--it actually interests me. Let the Republican party big wigs--the corrupt assholes who've ruined my grandparents' party--swallow that, hopefully they'll choke on it.

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Post#5127 at 12-19-2011 06:03 PM by James50 [at Atlanta, GA US joined Feb 2010 #posts 3,605]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
No, the executive branch has no mandate to enforce subpoenas from the legislative branch, if you want to be totally libertarian about it. Let Congress enforce their own subpoenas if they wish to issue them. They have their own police to provide enforcement if it comes to that.

But we know that the intent is similar to the intent of the new Hungarian majority: to intimidate those not in their party.
I had to look this up. You are correct that the executive branch is not needed. If the Justice Department will not act, the Congress can appoint its own counsel to take the matter to court. Still, if the AG is asked to act on a congressional contempt matter, he/she can always say yes.

Its an interesting separation of powers problem.

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Post#5128 at 12-19-2011 06:57 PM by TeddyR [at joined Aug 2011 #posts 998]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Now tell me, how are you going to give that to them? Or, do you just see that question as mental masturbation not worthy of your obvious brilliance?
.....Bingo!







Post#5129 at 12-19-2011 08:56 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Neither. Try reading for comprehension next time.
Pretty weak dodge. I guess next we'll get the "I know what I am, but what does that make you?!" If your busy or fatigue, why don't you just say so instead of bringing this weak stuff? I'd understand.

Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Again, you refuse comprehension. "Political will" is nothing against reality. Political will cannot create a perpetual-motion machine, undo the conservation of mass-energy, or make voltage not proportional to resistance times current. The flaw in MMT boils down to it fundamentally assuming a system based on a thing which cannot exist. Kind of a big problem.
Oh, you're back to that stuff. Okay, but remember our talk about you being honest about it?

You know, mentioning that you're critique is not of MMT per se but of any centralized system including the present one, in which MMT or ANY other macro-economic theory would need to operate within?

Again, I get that you believe everything will devolve to your magic pony land of he-men living off the land while producing Ferraris in their garages - you know, like that other Libertarian dream world called Somalia - but don't you think it would be much more honest to clearly state so?

I mean, even Ron Paul is a little bit honest about it.
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Post#5130 at 12-19-2011 08:59 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by TeddyR View Post
.....Bingo!
Then if you knowingly have nothing to offer on the issue, why are you butting in?

That truly is a from of masturbation.

Maybe you need to get out more?
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


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Post#5131 at 12-19-2011 09:04 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
I'd be fine with a Ron Paul nomination--it actually interests me. Let the Republican party big wigs--the corrupt assholes who've ruined my grandparents' party--swallow that, hopefully they'll choke on it.

~Chas'88
Classic nose, face, despite thingee.

However, I can empathize.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#5132 at 12-19-2011 09:47 PM by TeddyR [at joined Aug 2011 #posts 998]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Then if you knowingly have nothing to offer on the issue, why are you butting in?

That truly is a from of masturbation.

Maybe you need to get out more?
I plan to get out next week one day. What's it like out there in the real world? You seem to have a real grasp on it. Show me the light playwrite.







Post#5133 at 12-19-2011 09:49 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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The GOP nuts in Minnesota have jumped the shark, which was inevitable because Movement Conservatism is incompatible with Minnesota's Yankee culture.

State GOP staggered by debt, scandal

These morons will be thrown out of the legislature next year
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Post#5134 at 12-19-2011 10:06 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by TeddyR View Post
I plan to get out next week one day. What's it like out there in the real world? You seem to have a real grasp on it. Show me the light playwrite.
I would suggest some time volunteering at a local food bank or kitchen -

A survey of 29 cities conducted by the U.S. Conference of Mayors being released Thursday points to a gloomy outlook for those on the lower end of the income scale.

Many mayors cited the challenges of meeting increased demands for food assistance, expressing particular concern about possible cuts to federal programs such as food stamps and WIC, which assists low-income pregnant women and mothers. Unemployment led the list of causes of hunger in cities, followed by poverty, low wages and high housing costs.

Across the 29 cities, about 27 percent of people needing emergency food aid did not receive it. . . Among those requesting emergency food assistance, 51 percent were in families, 26 percent were employed, 19 percent were elderly and 11 percent were homeless.

People who never thought they would need food are in need of help, said Mayor Sly James of Kansas City, Mo., who co-chairs a mayors task force on hunger and homelessness.
That will bring some perspective to the oh-so-terrible problem of federal deficits and inflation just around the corner bullshit as well as perhaps challenge someone's apathy over the lack of living wages in this nation of ours. Also, I promise that you will feel better afterwards than just playing another game of Bingo.

In the interim, you could also start with this -

http://neweconomicperspectives.blogs...ey-primer.html
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


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If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#5135 at 12-19-2011 10:27 PM by TeddyR [at joined Aug 2011 #posts 998]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I would suggest some time volunteering at a local food bank or kitchen -
This would mean spending time around all those yucky poor people. I'm not as evolved as you Mr. Playwrite.







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I was in that line of yucky poor people at the food bank. After my surgery, I was too much of a (semi-)invalid to work.







Post#5137 at 12-20-2011 12:57 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by TeddyR View Post
This would mean spending time around all those yucky poor people. I'm not as evolved as you Mr. Playwrite.
I not only went there but partook of a meal, right after submitting my donation. Pretty good.
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Ron Paul is leading in Iowa. Gingrich has fallen in the latest RCP average; Romney is going up and so are other candidates.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive,

Eric A. Meece







Post#5139 at 12-20-2011 03:55 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Despite?
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I think he meant "to spite" but turned on a cheap Jamaican accent half-way through his post.

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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
I think he meant "to spite" but turned on a cheap Jamaican accent half-way through his post.

~Chas'88
LMAO!

Your response is a good indicator of someone else in the business that abounds with critics and editors.

I should note, however, it perhaps wasn't so much the cheap accent as it was the rum.
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Post#5141 at 12-20-2011 10:29 AM by James50 [at Atlanta, GA US joined Feb 2010 #posts 3,605]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I not only went there but partook of a meal, right after submitting my donation. Pretty good.
Good for you, Eric.

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Post#5142 at 12-20-2011 10:55 AM by TeddyR [at joined Aug 2011 #posts 998]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I not only went there but partook of a meal, right after submitting my donation. Pretty good.
Love it, very Boomer (not the doing it part, the bragging about it).







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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Ron Paul is leading in Iowa. Gingrich has fallen in the latest RCP average; Romney is going up and so are other candidates.
Ron Paul's is even worse than bachmann in my opinion. He is well known to have been an anti-semite and racist as shown by his newsletters, the bulk of his support comes from racists, anti-semites and "anti-zionists". If Newt or Mitt defeat obama it would be a political defeat for democrats like myself but I am convinced that they at least have the good of the country as their goal, even their interpretation is diametrically opposed to those of the democrats. Ron Paul however strikes me as the embodiment of all of the worst aspects of both parties and both ideologies. His loathsome comments at the september debate as well as his tinfoil hat views of foreign policies is more evidence that strengthens such a view of the ron paul campaign.







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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
He is well known to have been an anti-semite and racist as shown by his newsletters,
Can you give me a link?

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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Oh man.
Any time I see a word like "Paulbot," I stop reading.
I prefer to take the direct word of someone over what others say about him/her.
That poster only posts when he's off his meds, methinks.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
That poster only posts when he's off his meds, methinks.
Statements like this are the clearest symptoms of the moral cowardice afflicting america these days. Those such as ron paul who excuse evil people, or worse advocate evil have always been the harbingers of tyranny. I find it supremely ironic that cowardly degenerates on both the right and on the left show their craven sympathy with the evildoers of the world. Ron Paul would side with Iran over america, he would support the oppression of jews, blacks and hispanics. He would allow the oppressors of the world free reign the plunge the nations of the world into totalitarian darkness.







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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
Statements like this are the clearest symptoms of the moral cowardice afflicting america these days. Those such as ron paul who excuse evil people, or worse advocate evil have always been the harbingers of tyranny. I find it supremely ironic that cowardly degenerates on both the right and on the left show their craven sympathy with the evildoers of the world. Ron Paul would side with Iran over america, he would support the oppression of jews, blacks and hispanics. He would allow the oppressors of the world free reign the plunge the nations of the world into totalitarian darkness.
LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Keep talking, you only embarrass yourself with your militaristic BS.
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I've seen no good evidence of antisemitism or racism in any of Ron Paul's writings or speeches. Nor is it even close to true that most of his support comes from antisemites or racists. Most of his support (such as it is) comes from libertarians.

Oh, and also, objecting to the U.S. unilaterally going to war just because we don't like some other country's government, is not the same as approving of that government. It's just objecting to American pretensions that we're supposed to rule the world by force, that's all.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Thanks for that link. I agree with most of what he said on foreign policy, which isn't too surprising.
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