I was referring to Iowa, whose GOP caucus voters are about 60% evangelical and who supported Huckabee in 2008.Originally Posted by annla899
As for Odin, his comments are why I have him on ignore.
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I was referring to Iowa, whose GOP caucus voters are about 60% evangelical and who supported Huckabee in 2008.
As for Odin, his comments are why I have him on ignore.
I think somewhere above on this thread I spelled out the astrological methods I use to evaluate candidates and conditions. I did a lot of research on these patterns before the 2004 election to improve my predictive abilities. I made a list above of the candidates and their chances this year. I didn't mention the Jupiter thing with Santorum before last month, but it is always a powerful good luck charm to have the big guy currently passing through your sun sign, especially boosted by Pluto in trine, Venus aligned too, etc. Astrology bases its predictions on a lot of patterns noticed through experience and readings of charts, as well as certain principles and archetypes. In that sense, it is much like turnings theory, although the latter is based also on biographies and not on the theory of correspondence between planets and Earth events. The astrological theory is "hermetic" in origin, saying "as above so below" and "all is one." Today's physics lends some credence to astrological theory, including things like "quantum entanglement," and holography and fractile mathematics.
Some say Romney couldn't win because of his being a Mormon. According to my ultra-conservative brother who lives in Iowa; they don't care what religion the candidate practices, as long as he has a shot at kicking Obama out of office. Their dislike of Obama is over riding what they would have deemed crucial in a Republican candidate a few years ago.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
There is a story that's simply been ignored by the media: why is Obama the great anathema to the Right? In interview after interview of caucus-goers in Iowa, they raised that need to kick Obama out of office and take the country back. It's a unifying theme. What precisely do they mean by that? Why the hyper levels of fear? One otherwise sensible woman made the statement that another 4 years and the country may be ruined forever.
Is that hate, fear or some amalgam of the two? Ater all, Obama is a compromising centrist.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
I don't actually know for sure. But I do know, that I have heard my brother call him the anti-christ. Considering the situation in which we were in when I heard him say that, I did not get the opportunity to ask him why he thought this about Obama.
My hunch is that it had something to do with the almost idol like following that Obama had in his campaign.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
Maybe this will shine some light on the anti-christ baloney.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
I think the comics in this thread explains it:
http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...Street/page229
Republicans are more of a herd mentality..follow the leader, etc. Not entirely sure when this started happening, but if the top 'leaders' in the GOP oppose Obama on political grounds, its likely many of the rest of the GOP will follow.
Interestingly, I get much more of the snopes type spam mail from people who consider themselves Republicans than those who are Democrats. Actually, I can't recollect the last time I got any of those types from Democrat leaning friends or family.
Yeah, I get that ... but this is w-a-a-a-y beyond politics. This seems personal and pervasive. THe downside to this, if it's really fear: this crowd tends to be armed to the teeth.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
Since Reagan, trickle-downers and social conservatives plus neo-cons feel a sense of entitlement; if things are not going their way, in the direction of their (counter) revolution, then they must resist in any possible way, whether through the Clinton impeachment and scandal scam, or through effective voting for a right-wing Republican congress at mid-terms, or whatever. Hillary had it right; it's a vast right-wing conspiracy, but it exists among a large segment of the people who are deceived into following the Reagan star. It is like a religion, and in-part sanctioned and powered by many Christian evangelical preachers.
People here say it is primarily a Boomer idealist phenomenon, but in fact it is also a Gen X phenomenon (especially older and middle Gen Xers as S&H define them), and these days many Silents often go along with it too, since older people are more conservative (even though Silents tend to be more moderate). Polls about who supported Santorum and Romney are interesting in this regard.
Iowa, and Minnesota, obviously have very broad spectrums of political opinion. The Iowa caucuses tend to favor extremely conservative Republicans (there were too many of them this time) and very liberal Democrats.
A moderate Republican friend of mine here in RI thinks Marco Rubio is a likely VP choice for Romney if he gets the nomination.
Santorum, despite his gentle demeanor, is a hateful person in the literal sense. He is full of hate. But he looks like the man around which the Republican "base" might coalesce now. . .
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I think a big part of the problem why conservatives dislike Obama is the same reason James listed in his dislike of dealing with regulators. The conservatives in my family have similar issues, basically that the left..when in power..passes a whole bunch of laws that while under the guise of 'fairness' or 'environmental considerations', these laws are used to harass the little people.
Most conservatives I've known (not all) just want to live their own lives. Yet (and here's the experience some of my family has had) an anal retentive neighbor will do things like complain to the city if your house needs painting, or the grass is 1 inch too high and you get notices or fines.
I can understand this frustration conservatives have. My experience though is a some of my idealist liberal friends don't get it.
The dislike is based on policy. It is not personal.
Rubio looks like a good VP choice for Romney and I think that Romney would be the better candidate in the general election
Racism mixed in with "UN Black Helicopter" type of paranoia.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Not only is Santorum hateful, he's rather mentally unhinged, with rather disturbing obsessions with sexual morality.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
As the Republican Party goes increasingly to the right, GOP politicians get away with more racist, paranoid, and reactionary rhetoric. Republican pols increasingly excite the base of Movement Conservatives while perhaps (we may see this in polling) offending the people in the political center.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I was shocked by the outburst of racism Obama's nomination and then election unleashed. I grew up believing that racism was relegated to a tiny minority.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
The Authoritarian Personality:
a. Conventionalism -- Rigid adherence to middle-class values
b. Authoritarian submission -- Tendency to seek idealized leaders to be followed without question
c. Authoritarian aggression -- Being on the lookout for, with the intent of punishing, violators of conventional middle-class values
d. Anti-intraception -- Superficiality of thought and ethical judgment
e. Stereotypes and Superstition -- Thinking in rigid categories; acceptance of pseudo-scientific determinants of human nature
f. Power and Toughness -- Exaggerated concern with outermost characteristics of behavior and uncritical reverence for institutional power
g. Destructiveness and cynicism -- General pessimism in human nature and expectation of apocalyptic events
h. Sex -- pathological concern with issues of sexuality and reproduction
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Nobody Likes to Talk About It (Racism), but It’s There
DES MOINES — Talking about race in American politics is uncomfortable and awkward. But it has to be said: There has been a racist undertone to many of the Republican attacks leveled against President Obama for the last three years, and in this dawning presidential campaign.
You can detect this undertone in the level of disrespect for this president that would be unthinkable were he not an African-American. Some earlier examples include: Rep. Joe Wilson shouting “you lie” at one of Mr. Obama’s first appearances before Congress, and House Speaker John Boehner rejecting Mr. Obama’s request to speak to a joint session of Congress—the first such denial in the history of our republic.
More recently, Representative Jim Sensenbrenner, in a conversation overheard at Reagan National Airport in Washington, said of Michelle Obama: “She lectures us on eating right while she has a large posterior herself.” He offered a lame apology, but as Mary C. Curtis put it on the Washington Post’s new blog She the People: “Can you imagine how the incident would play out if an African American congressman made a crude remark about First Lady Laura Bush’s body? It certainly would have taken more than an insincere apology to wash that sin away.”
This ugly strain was crudely evident in the “birthers” and their ridiculous demands that Mr. Obama produce his birth certificate to prove that he was American, and not secretly an African Muslim.
Just the other day here in Iowa, Mitt Romney’s son, Matt, said his father might release his tax returns “as soon as President Obama releases his grades and birth certificate and sort of a long list of things.” The younger Mr. Romney later backtracked, either because he was sincerely chagrined, or, perhaps more likely, because he recognized that it could hurt his father.
Sometimes the racism is more oblique. Newt Gingrich was prattling on the other day about giving “poor children” in “housing projects” jobs cleaning toilets in public schools to teach them there is an alternative to becoming a pimp or a drug dealer. These children, he said, have no work ethic. If there’s anyone out there who doesn’t get that poor kids in housing projects is code for minorities, he or she hasn’t been paying attention to American politics for the last 50 years. Mr. Gingrich is also fond of calling Mr. Obama “the greatest food stamp President in American history.”
Is Mr. Romney playing the same chords when he talks about how Mr. Obama wants to create an “entitlement society”? The president has said nothing of the sort, and the accusation seems of a piece with the old Republican saw that blacks collect the greatest share of welfare dollars.
Mr. Obama’s election in 2008 was a triumph of American democracy and tolerance. He overcame incredible odds to become the first president of mixed race, the first brown-skinned president. It’s pathetic that some Republicans are choosing to toss that milestone into the garbage in their blind drive to destroy Mr. Obama’s presidency.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Well no one except Sarah Palin anyway. Hey Eric! Does that mean we could say that you are just as smart and as accurate as Sarah?!?
You go girl! Errrr Guy!
No kidding. Same with all portions of all pre-packaged foods.
Racism is out there. It is less prevalent than it used to be, but although it is good for bring out the raving lunatics it is also good for creating disgust."What plays in Vegas stays in Vegas" -- but not if it is political bilge. The downfall of racism in American political life may not have begun when network TV crews exposed the gutter racism in Southern political speech in the early 1960s... but the downfall of that proudly-stated racism juxtaposed against inequity and thuggery necessary for its enforcement did much to bring it down.
The more that we see of the lunatic fringe that the GOP boils down to, the more.... enough said.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I was a victim of precisely that, but I didn't conclude from that, that environmental regulations or fair housing laws or welfare etc etc should all be repealed.
Small business needs to observe regulations, just as big business does. I don't see the problem with that, a few bad bureaucrat apples apart. Business people can just obey the laws that keep the public safe. I had to do that too. If their bottom line leaves them in perpetual struggle, as it did me, that is due to the general conservative policies in effect today that give breaks to the wealthy and shift the burden to everyone else, including small business. The latter just need to aim their anger at the right target.
What was liberals' dislike of Bush based on?
