LMAO picking self off floor.Originally Posted by JohnMc82
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David Kaiser '47
My blog: History Unfolding
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One of the popular explanations that I have heard in regards to North Carolina and Virginia, is the rise of a post-industrial economy in those states. North Carolina has become a leader in the financial and research industries. Virginia is also known for having a high concentration of computer firms, government agencies, and other professional industries. In the areas where these industries are centered, the Democrats do well. For North Carolina, this includes the counties of Mecklenburg and Wake, as for Virginia, this includes the state's northern counties.
Generation: Millennial (Gen Y)
If one builds houses of glass...
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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Well all the entrance/exit polls show he did best with the under $30k bracket, but I guess $30k is pretty rich for a millie in many places.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
When will this country catch up to civilization? Written in the year 2000 (that's right 12 years ago):And I respect your views. No one should tell others what to believe.
Promoting Contraceptive Use and Choice: France's Approach To Teen Pregnancy and Abortion
Best...The French government's announcement in January of a new policy enabling nurses to offer emergency contraception in the nation's high schools unleashed a flurry of news reports in the United States, with articles appearing in Newsweek, The New York Times and other newspapers across the country. But what may have appeared to be a politically daring and controversial move here was greeted with considerably more equanimity in France itself. Indeed, school-based distribution of emergency contraception is only one component of a widely accepted, ongoing, national campaign to reduce unintended pregnancies among French teens and adult women.
According to French officials and observers, the campaign reflects that society's openness and comfort in dealing with sexuality in general, and teen sexuality in particular. Michel Lavollay, a physician and counselor of health affairs at the French embassy in Washington, puts the matter simply: "The campaign targets young people as a priority because they are the ones we need to touch most." Bridget Dusseau, the Agence France-Presse (AFP) chief editor for the French Service, is even more direct. "It's the right thing to do," she insists. "Young people, we assume, are going to be interested in sexual relationships. You can't forbid sex, but you can ask young people to be responsible. That's what this campaign is about—protecting our young people."
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The Campaign
In January, France's minister of employment and solidarity, Martine Aubry, launched a national communications initiative called "La contraception, ŕ vous de choisir la vôtre," or "Contraception: It's up to you to choose your own." The major purpose of the monthlong initiative was to provide women with information about the range of contraceptive methods available, to help women choose the one that they are most likely to use consistently. As the centerpiece of the communications initiative, the government sponsored television and radio spots, several of which were targeted specifically at adolescents. (Other spots were aimed at single women in their 30s and at couples who have completed their childbearing.) A one-page guide, which folded to the size of a credit card so that it could be conveniently carried, was also developed to give young people information about contraception, including emergency contraception. Nine million copies of the guide were distributed in schools, youth clubs, family planning clinics and discos. Schools have been strongly encouraged to integrate the initiative message into their ongoing sexuality education efforts; sexuality education is mandatory in French schools, both public and private.
Taking the information-based initiative one step further, France's minister of education, Ségolčne Royal, announced a new policy that same month to allow the provision by school nurses of emergency contraception in public and parochial high schools. Consisting of a high dose of regular oral contraceptives, which if taken within 72 hours of unprotected intercourse prevents a pregnancy from occurring, emergency contraception has been available over the counter in France since June 1999.
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The Reaction
The campaign to promote contraceptive use has enjoyed wide support in France. This includes the decision to distribute emergency contraception in schools. Lavollay stresses that the idea was well tested among community leaders before its launch. Public health and religious officials, parents and school nurses were receptive, he says, because they recognized that many adolescents, especially older ones, are going to be sexually active.
Undeniably, some object to the distribution of emergency contraception in schools on moral grounds and denounce the school policy for intensifying liberal attitudes about sex, contraception and abortion. Yet, even in this largely Catholic country, Guinard says, most adults are not opposed to teens' access to contraceptives, and for that reason, the bulk of the objections are pragmatic. Some fear that the new school policy does not go far enough to encourage young women to talk to their parents. Others fear that teens will use emergency contraception as a regular form of birth control. Still others worry because emergency contraception does not protect against STDs, including HIV. But even in those venues where an effort could have been staged in opposition to the campaign or to the distribution of emergency contraception, no organized fight has emerged. "France has a large system of parochial education—religious schools that are funded by the government in a public-private partnership," explains Lavollay. "These schools offer some emphasis on religious values. Still, there's been no attempt to denigrate the unintended pregnancy prevention campaign."
A Study in Contrasts
The French government's latest campaign to expand access to sexual health information and services to teens fits comfortably within its societal traditions. "French culture is open about sexuality," says Lavollay. "Especially with the advent of AIDS, young people and their parents agree: Adolescents need access to information and services." Indeed, France launched its first national HIV prevention campaign in 1987, promoting free screening and condom use. Since 1994, HIV prevention campaigns have specifically targeted young people. The government has ensured that condom distribution machines are in schools and has developed humorous public messages in an attempt to break down the public's resistance to condoms and to institutionalize condom use.
Observers in the United States cannot help noticing the contrast between France's approach to issues related to teen sexual activity and those that prevail in this country. "Sexually explicit campaigns, like the one in France, arouse little concern among western Europeans," says Barbara Huberman, director of sexuality education at Advocates for Youth, a U.S.-based organization that has conducted tours of France, Germany and the Netherlands to study the countries' different approaches to sexual health issues. In France, she says, the government's response to teenage pregnancy and abortion centers on consistent sexuality education, improved access to contraception and widespread public-education campaigns in support of contraceptive use. In the United States, she argues, policymakers try on the one hand to address high abortion rates by making abortion harder to get and, on the other, to address teen pregnancy by promoting abstinence.
"The gap between our countries' approaches to teen sexual behavior is reflected in a wide gap in our teen pregnancy and abortion rates. It is unfortunate that in the United States, we lag so far behind," says Jacqueline E. Darroch, vice president for research at The Alan Guttmacher Institute, who has studied adolescent pregnancy and STD rates in developed countries. "The United States is in a category with Belarus, Bulgaria, Romania and the Russian Federation, countries having among the highest teen pregnancy rates in the world. We don't even come close to what's been achieved in France."
Yet somehow a Catholic country like France gets it. Abortion is paid for by social security (i.e. national health insurance).
Religion Percents of France
Which is why I puzzle at your efforts to convert followers of the nation's religion of misogyny. This has nothing to do with freedom of (Christian) religion.And once again, you seem to forget that I am a Christian and that there are many others like me who are on the Left and care about the rights and dignity of women.
Cheers.
Then I stand corrected. This is not about the Church of Misogyny. It's about undermining President Obama...yet again.LMAO picking self off floor.
Cheers.
I hear what you're saying. I just have to remind folks that the Christian left and feminists are still out there fighting for justice.
And there is that, too.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is the voter turnout in Republican primaries so far. It's been trending lower than in 2008. I mean lower in actual number of voters, not just in percentage. What that suggests to me is that we may have an enthusiasm gap running the opposite direction from in 2010. If so, that not only means Obama is likely to be reelected, but also that the Democrats will do better than once expected in the Congressional races. Enough to keep control of the Senate? Maybe not, given the lopsided number of Democrats up for reelection. Enough to take the House? That's more likely.
"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"
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Is this in the Northern part of Virginia? Which is slowly turning into a pseudopod of its neighbors to the north, until some of the Tidewater folks sniff that it isn't really Virginia at all!
Or is it around Charlottesville?
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."
"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.
There is a new book that comments on this...I will elaborate after I finish reading it.
Mostly Arlington, Fairfax, and Loudoun Counties, the cities of Alexandria and Falls Church, and to a lesser extent, Prince William Counties. All suburbs of Washington, DC. It's spilling farther west and south, though.
In a 50/50 year, Richmond, Charlottesville, and Northern Virginia go Democratic while the rural areas and smaller cities like Lynchburg go Republican. Virginia Beach and Norfolk are split because while they are urban (tends to be blue), they are also heavily military (which tends to go red).
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
My telling someone that I respect their view that abortion is murder, is very much OK. While some on the left want to convince those who oppose abortion otherwise, I honor their thoughts just as I honor others. *Choice* is the key word. There are numerous hospitals and clinics who will give women who *choose* all the abortions that they want.
I am a female who happens to see abortion as ending a life. I do not impose that thought on anyone else. I cannot choose for other women what they do with their bodies. I do not condemn those who have abortions. But I also don't want other's saying that I must be pro-abortion or I am not supporting women.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
You even read the article?
Last edited by summer in the fall; 02-06-2012 at 02:53 PM.
I have to admit that I only read part of it. The article is right on in regards to more birth control, less abortion! But trying to tie it to my respecting a view of someone who doesn't support abortion, I just don't get.
What I don't understand is that there seems to be an attitude that we lack birth control in this country. Heck, they'er handed out like candy in clinics and numerous other places. Others here have said that many Catholics take them. Then for goodness sake, everyone who wants to take them, take them. But to insinuate that a Catholic hospital, that sees the issue differently, be forced to pay for them, then that's just not right. Should they be forced to also perform abortions?
Someone suggested here that we go to single payer and that would solve a lot of this bickering. I agree. If the majority of Catholic Hospital workers aren't complaining, and they are mostly women, why is it any body else's business?
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"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
The Wonkette mentioned the northern counties that I was thinking about (Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, and Prince William). It's interesting how these counties have changed politically from 1988 to 2008.
1988
Arlington
Dukakis-54
Bush-45
Fairfax
Bush-61
Dukakis-38
Loudoun
Bush-66
Dukakis-33
Prince William
Bush-67
Dukakis-32
(Source)
2008
Arlington
Obama-72
McCain-27
Fairfax
Obama-60
McCain-39
Loudoun
Obama-54
McCain-45
Prince William
Obama-58
McCain-42
(Source)
Generation: Millennial (Gen Y)
You have a really bad habit of trying to be the thread police. You're not, and telling people you are just makes them angry. These are open boards, and topics are intentionally general and open to discussion as each poster desires. Feel free to put any of us on Ignore if oyou feel we violate your rules, but don't expect to be engaged much if you do.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
The issue is about policy , it is not about Obama.
Hmmm...
ETA: Naa...
Last edited by summer in the fall; 02-06-2012 at 07:43 PM. Reason: Naaa
My understanding is that the morning after pill is considered "abortion" by some Catholics and others. It is this morning after pill that is being passed out in school by nurses.I have to admit that I only read part of it. The article is right on in regards to more birth control, less abortion!
This was the OP:
The article was about expanding medical coverage (i.e. insurance) to include passing out morning after pills in schools (abortions were already covered under their national insurance). According to this exchange, you seem to be respecting the view of limiting medical coverage.And I respect your views. No one should tell others what to believe.
This is what makes me believe you didn't read the article...
And in regards to availability:..."France has a large system of parochial education—religious schools that are funded by the government in a public-private partnership," explains Lavollay. "These schools offer some emphasis on religious values. Still, there's been no attempt to denigrate the unintended pregnancy prevention campaign."
In other words, the American system is not nearly supportive. And it shows......in 1987, promoting free screening and condom use. Since 1994...The government has ensured that condom distribution machines are in schools and has developed humorous public messages in an attempt to break down the public's resistance to condoms and to institutionalize condom use. ...In the United States, she argues, policymakers try on the one hand to address high abortion rates by making abortion harder to get and, on the other, to address teen pregnancy by promoting abstinence. "The gap between our countries' approaches to teen sexual behavior is reflected in a wide gap in our teen pregnancy and abortion rates....It is unfortunate that in the United States, we lag so far behind," says Jacqueline E. Darroch, vice president for research at The Alan Guttmacher Institute, who has studied adolescent pregnancy and STD rates in developed countries. "The United States is in a category with Belarus, Bulgaria, Romania and the Russian Federation, countries having among the highest teen pregnancy rates in the world. We don't even come close to what's been achieved in France."
ADOLESCENT ABORTION AND PREGNANCY RATES IN SELECTED DEVELOPED COUNTRIES* Country Abortion Rate Pregnancy Rate Germany 3.6 16.1 Netherlands 4.0 12.2 Spain 4.5† 12.3† Belgium 5.0 14.1 Italy 5.1† 12.0† Japan 6.3† 10.1† France 10.2† 20.2† Denmark 14.4 22.7 Sweden 17.2 24.9 England and Wales 18.6 46.9 Norway 18.7 32.3 Canada 21.2 45.4 Australia 23.8 43.7 United States 29.2 83.6 Romania 32.0† 74.0† Russian Federation 56.1† 101.7† *Rates (per 1,000 women aged 15-19) are for the most recent year available, ranging from 1992 to 1996; countries are ranked by rate of abortion. †Abortion data are less than 80% complete.
It would. But there isn't enough of a push for it. Obama-cares is obviously piece-milling it.
Perhaps because the law doesn't work that way. It's about equal protection, not "the majority aren't complaining..."
Best...
Last edited by summer in the fall; 02-06-2012 at 06:29 PM. Reason: Repost
SITF is on my ignore list, but I looked at that post, and I'm glad I did--because of the data.
It's incredible.
What we see here is that the advanced Latin, Catholic countries are dealing with the issue of teen sex responsibly and sanely, while the Anglo-Saxons. . .it's pathetic. Truly pathetic.
I think I was really lucky to grow up when I did. When I was 14 premarital sex was taboo and dangerous, there was essentially no birth control available, and abortion was illegal. By the time I was 21 and started having sex (yes, I know, rather late), contraception was freely available and we accepted that you could learn about sex first, then get married, then, when you wanted to, have kids. And that's exactly what I did. It seems so fucking obvious, if you'll pardon the expression, that that's the sensible way to do it, that I really despair of the insanity of the substantial minority of my countrymen and women who want to pretend that they can stop teens from having sex, which of course, they can't. Other advanced countries, obviously, have figured it out.Why can't we?
David Kaiser '47
My blog: History Unfolding
My book: The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy
This is really a wonderful story about the topic we have been discussing.
David Kaiser '47
My blog: History Unfolding
My book: The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy
Actuallyu, it is productive. countries with smaller gaps between rich and poor are, in general, happier that countries with large wealth gaps. Large wealth gaps in developed countries are also correlated to religiousness, egalitarian countries tend to be less religious.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
I dunno how you figure that, if the Republicans have managed over the last 30 years to shape tax laws to favor the rich, as they have done. The LAW needs to be changed to the wealthy pay their "fair share."
Sure it is. It is about time the 99% of us started fighting back against the class war that Reagan, Gingrich and co. have been waging against us for 30 years. It's time to whine, and it would be very productive if it means taxes go up to ease our national debt. The Republican meme of "class warfare" needs to always be turned against them. They started it. And for no reason except their own desire for lower taxes.Plus, the "pay their fair share" meme does sound a little too much like whiny class envy politics, and I don't think that's productive.
btw I think all the Bush tax cuts should be repealed, plus a surtax on millionaires; but all of this not too much higher than before Bush in any case.
