Originally Posted by The Rani

"Wellness" is not the opposite of "pregnant." See prior discussion on fertility treatment.

Why is that a requirement, one way or the other? I assume women can be well and pregnant as easily as well and not pregnant. My Wellness Plan consist of braod range of services that keep you healthy physically and mentally. Almost all women's health services fall into that category: PAP smears, pelvic exams, breast exams (and xrays on a biennial basis). For men, we get physicals and prostate exams. Both sexes get assitance on diet, exercise and stress managment. Why would contraceptives (and erectile disfunction meds) not fit in that program?

Originally Posted by playwrite

Obama plays you all like a fiddle.

Who's this "you all?"

I admire a well-played strategic game. Politics ain't beanbag, as the saying goes.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Not to be too obvious about this, but a a man's failure to take a pill doesn't get him pregnant. Leads to a much lower motivation level. If I was a woman (maybe in my next life), I would handle that myself, out of simple self preservation.

Yeah, on second thought, we better leave the everyday pill taking to the women.

So PW, you can relax now, Viagra will stay your only concern pertaining to those moments of intimacy. Somehow, I doubt if men would ever forget to take that little blue pill.

Here's a bit of the transcript pertaining to Bill Moyers' interview with Heather McGee, who is a millennial. The topic is about politics and the millennial generation.

She sure speaks my heart!

BILL MOYERS: In 2008, millennial, your generation, voted for Obama by a 34 point margin compared to a nine-point margin, four years earlier, for John Kerry. I mean, they came out -- you came out, your generation, and were a decisive, if not the decisive factor in Obama's margin. Will your generation come out for Obama again?

HEATHER McGHEE: I think it's a really difficult question. I think the Millennial generation still is showing preferences for Democratic policies for Democratic values and ideals and for Democratic candidates over Republican candidates. But you have to realize that just like with all other kinds of voters, young voters are voting on the economy.

And as the Dēmos report "The State of Young America" has shown, this generation, my generation is really feeling the brunt of the recession that capped off 30 years of widening economic inequality and insecurity. And so young people can't say that they're better off financially than they were four years ago. I really believe that given the levels of unemployment in the young adult generation, the president needs to call for-- and I understand it would be difficult to pass through Congress.

But on the campaign trail, he needs to call for a WPA style, generational jobs program all across this country. And it would be a transformational generational experience. It would be something that would expose people to different Americans from different walks of life. But it would also be something that would say, finally, for once and for all, 'Yes, your American Government is on your side, young people. We're not always going to leave you to the mercy of the banks and selfish employers and the vagaries of the so-called 'free market. We're going to say that your future matters to us as a country.'

BILL MOYERS: You're calling for more and more government help. You just asked Obama to take a more aggressive position with using the government to put people to work. You're up against, of course, the predisposition of people out across the country that, 'I don't want to pay taxes to those folks who haven't been spending it well, fighting wars, passing the cost on. Extending benefits to Wall Street, bailing out the banks. I don't want to support government anymore.'

HEATHER McGHEE: Absolutely. I mean I think that in order for us as Americans, who want to see public solutions to our common problems, to really achieve what we want to achieve, we are going to have to clean up Washington first. It is absolutely important. For example, why would the American people trust Washington to do what's right when they know that so much of their energy is focused on rewarding the people who brought them to the party, which is the wealthiest people in the country and the organized corporate elite?

And so we've got to clean up the money in politics problem. And it's time to take that incredibly personal issue of your own personal finances and make them political.

BILL MOYERS: Doing what?

HEATHER McGHEE: I think we need to stay politically involved on policy issues. We need to, as a generation,really be the generation that calls for and holds leaders accountable for cleaning up Washington, for addressing the political inequality that is perpetuating economic inequality. We need to become a very politically engaged generation. We need to run for office, debt be damned.

MORE: http://billmoyers.com/content/will-m...d-obama-again/

Just saw Huckabee on the news. He was speaking at a Republican gathering. He said, "Thank you Obama! Thank you for unifying the Republicans!" He then went on to say that the birth control mandate did a lot for bringing Republicans back together.

Originally Posted by JohnMc82

Almost half of all pregnancies are unplanned, and pregnancy is much more expensive to your insurance company than some birth control pills.

And they can go to the local health department or planned parenthood for FREE birthcontrol....

Originally Posted by Deb C

Just saw Huckabee on the news. He was speaking at a Republican gathering. He said, "Thank you Obama! Thank you for unifying the Republicans!" He then went on to say that the birth control mandate did a lot for bringing Republicans back together.

oh yes indeedy. the goppers can always be counted on to unite against women's rights. yay them.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Originally Posted by playwrite

Obama plays you all like a fiddle.

Who's this "you all?"

I admire a well-played strategic game. Politics ain't beanbag, as the saying goes.

I second that. There were at least two groups of "alls." There were the "alls" proselytizing the doom and gloom of this country via Obama's eventful demise and the "alls" predicting something a whole lot less sinister.

Cheers

ETA: When Obama mastered the debt ceiling debacle without creating a Constitutional crises, he proved his politics proficiency in teasing out the latter.

Originally Posted by summer in the fall

I second that. There were at least two groups of "alls." There were the "alls" proselytizing the doom and gloom of this country via Obama's eventful demise and the "alls" predicting something a whole lot less sinister.

Cheers

ETA: When Obama mastered the debt ceiling debacle without creating a Constitutional crises, he proved his politics proficiency in teasing out the latter.

I aspire to his level of equanimity.

Obama up to 60% on Intrade at the moment.

Originally Posted by Deb C

I'm really contemplating that write-in campaign.

In light of PW's accurate predictions, he deserves that right-in*. But only if Kaiser acts as running mate. Just how tied into Civil Rights this all is was an awesome discovery.

Cheers.

*cute typo

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Obama up to 60% on Intrade at the moment.

Then I guess that's too bad for PW.

Cheers.

Back in the day, we had a T4T ticket picked out.

But times have changed. Obama hadn't yet given his 2004 convention speech.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

In all seriousness, is there anyone out there on the Republican side who would be acceptable to the social conservatives, the neocons, the Tea Party, and the GOP establishment?

Where is the next George W. Bush?

Jeb Bush, but he's not running this year (and can't get elected this year).

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Jeb Bush, but he's not running this year (and can't get elected this year).

Another Bush? Seriously? Do the current crop of GOP candidates even acknowledge the other presidents with that name?

Seems like they're still channeling Ronald Reagan, as PW mentioned.

Originally Posted by Exile 67'

Dude, you have the attitude and the mentality of a trust fund kid who hasn't worked to get anything his entire life.

Well, there's one guy that managed to learn a better way

http://youtu.be/LK3dt1Cxvj4

But how do you know so much about playwrite?

Just because he doesn't buy into the greed of insurance companies?

Originally Posted by the bouncer

oh yes indeedy. the goppers can always be counted on to unite against women's rights. yay them.

I find it a bit difficult to swallow.

So, the church fathers make a deal with Obama to let them continue to oppress women and impose their outdated religious doctrines on people who work for them in hospitals and schools, who don't even belong to their church. Then Obama's administration issues a policy that says that, like all other employers, they must provide coverage for contraceptives. So the church fathers get mad and want to continue telling their employees they must obey the outdated and oppressive religious edicts. I think in America the people don't have to follow ancient and oppressive, anti-feminist edicts of churches that they don't belong to, like people have to do in Saudi Arabia or Iran; we follow policies and laws agreed upon through the democratic and judicial process. But of course the GOPPERS are all in favor of us returning to medieval theocracy.

I think it's a good compromise, and gets him out of trouble caused by his own political wheeling and dealing earlier. The controversy doesn't seem to have hurt him in the polls, which are trending in his favor. Individuals always have the right anyway not to ask their insurance companies for pills, if it goes against their religious beliefs. Religious freedom applies to individuals, not to institutions located in a foreign country.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Back in the day, we had a T4T ticket picked out.

But times have changed. Obama hadn't yet given his 2004 convention speech.

[Getting up off the floor] No comment.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Well, there's one guy that managed to learn a better way

http://youtu.be/LK3dt1Cxvj4

But how do you know so much about playwrite?

Just because he doesn't buy into the greed of insurance companies?

Hollywood decided to go for a shitty Brewster's Millions remake starring the little girl from Little Miss Sunshine and Zombieland? Sad, but not unexpected.

Oh and FYI, Brewster's solution for spending 30 million in 30 days and have nothing to show for it at the end? Become a politician.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Another Bush? Seriously? Do the current crop of GOP candidates even acknowledge the other presidents with that name?

Seems like they're still channeling Ronald Reagan, as PW mentioned.

Of course they are. But there's no Ronald Reagan around anymore. So they have to go with another Bush. He's got the best astrological stats too. All the Bush's do; that's why they win.

It doesn't seem to matter whether their nominees or presidents are any good or not. They excel at nominating very poor candidates and electing very poor presidents. They haven't had a good president since TR (well, maybe Ike too).

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Jeb Bush, but he's not running this year (and can't get elected this year).

Another Bush? Seriously? Do the current crop of GOP candidates even acknowledge the other presidents with that name?

Seems like they're still channeling Ronald Reagan, as PW mentioned.

He was kidding.

Best...

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I find it a bit difficult to swallow.

So, the church fathers make a deal with Obama to let them continue to oppress women and impose their outdated religious doctrines on people who work for them in hospitals and schools, who don't even belong to their church. Then Obama's administration issues a policy that says that, like all other employers, they must provide coverage for contraceptives. So the church fathers get mad and want to continue telling their employees they must obey the outdated and oppressive religious edicts. I think in America the people don't have to follow ancient and oppressive, anti-feminist edicts of churches that they don't belong to, like people have to do in Saudi Arabia or Iran; we follow policies and laws agreed upon through the democratic and judicial process. But of course the GOPPERS are all in favor of us returning to medieval theocracy.

I think it's a good compromise, and gets him out of trouble caused by his own political wheeling and dealing earlier. The controversy doesn't seem to have hurt him in the polls, which are trending in his favor. Individuals always have the right anyway not to ask their insurance companies for pills, if it goes against their religious beliefs. Religious freedom applies to individuals, not to institutions located in a foreign country.

This is a stretch.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

Hollywood decided to go for a shitty Brewster's Millions remake starring the little girl from Little Miss Sunshine and Zombieland? Sad, but not unexpected.

Oh and FYI, Brewster's solution for spending 30 million in 30 days and have nothing to show for it at the end? Become a politician.

It's implausible, but so is the story.

"Buying" a politician who loses would be an effective way to lose a huge amount of money.

As I recall terms of the 'contract' included no pure gambling or dealings with the stock market.

Somewhat buried...

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Originally Posted by summer in the fall

Right now America has a "sick care" system that is called "healthcare." But somehow calling contraception "preventive care" is problematic? Hmmm... Like Saul Alinsky's teachings, maybe people should change the names because for a person who does not want to have a baby, pregnancy is a dis-ease. So again the false dichotomies... meaning no, there isn't a problem.

Cheers.

Summer:

I've mentioned this before on the forum, but as a young woman, I was diagnosed with oligomenorrhea. My doctor put me on the Pill to regulate my periods. It was a relief. And I suspect that becoming regular made it easier for me to conceive when I was ready to do so.

Thank you for the education. Your confirmed uterus comes in handy when understanding why birth control is important to woman's reproductive health.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

Hollywood decided to go for a shitty Brewster's Millions remake starring the little girl from Little Miss Sunshine and Zombieland? Sad, but not unexpected.

I can see the parallels, though I like my movie better; but the main point I was making is that Exile was virtually quoting this other movie (see what Brian Dennehy says, as well as "Jason" near the start of the clip).