Originally Posted by playwrite

If this keeps up through the summer (good chance it will with Obama getting his increased deficit spending in payroll tax relief, unemployment extension, and $s for Medicare docs) -



- we may have to anoint* him!

Just said that to make our resident t-partiers' heads explode.


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* Let the Catholic bishops do it as a way to make-up? We Catholics really really like pomp and ceremony!

I wouldnt get too excited yet. Gallup poll has Obama at 43% approval and he is trending down again on Rasmussen. Gas prices are going to hit his approval hard soon.....as well as the economy by sucking out all the disposable income consumers have.....
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Originally Posted by Weave

I wouldnt get too excited yet. Gallup poll has Obama at 43% approval and he is trending down again on Rasmussen. Gas prices are going to hit his approval hard soon.....as well as the economy by sucking out all the disposable income consumers have.....
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

yea, and the earth's axis is going to tilt 90 degrees and we're all going to die! That'll show that old Obama, by tootin!

Again, I think you better Google "obama approval rating polls" to see if you're a little out of date.

In the meantime -

Debt collectors, credit agencies get new scrutiny
By Jennifer Liberto @CNNMoney February 16, 2012

For the first time in history, debt collectors -- the guys who hound you over unpaid bills -- are about to get a tough federal regulator scouring their own books.

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau on Thursday released a new proposal to regulate the largest debt collection agencies and consumer reporting agencies, which includes credit bureaus that sell consumer credit reports.

Originally Posted by playwrite

yea, and the earth's axis is going to tilt 90 degrees and we're all going to die! That'll show that old Obama, by tootin!

Again, I think you better Google "obama approval rating polls" to see if you're a little out of date.

In the meantime -

You might want to actually check the link I provided, you'll see its dated today. Thats his approval as of TODAY.....


http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Andrea Mitchell had on Rick Santorum's Super PAC money man Foster Friess this morning during her MSNBC telecast. Mitchell asked him about the potential problems Santorum could have with women voters because of his stance on contraception and women in the military. Foster's response was so stunning that it froze Andrea in her tracks.

Mitchell: Do you have any concerns with some of his comments on social issues, on contraception on women in combat and whether or not it would hurt his viability in a general election campaign were he to be the nominee?

Freiss: Well I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have Jihadist camps set up in Latin America which Rick has been worried about and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex, I think it says something about our culture and maybe we need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on the real issues are.

This contraceptive thing, my gosh it's such inexpensive, back in my days we used Bayer aspirin for contraception, the gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly.

Mitchell: Um, excuse me I'm trying to catch my breath from that Mr. Friess, frankly....< Friess chuckles>

This could easily grow into a nationalized feeling that the GOP believes they don't need women voters this time out.

Santorum is gone; it's just a matter of whether or not he's taken the GOP with him.

Originally Posted by ziggyX65

True, but truth be told, pre-Reagan Republicans and post-Reagan Republicans are very different creatures. Eisenhower's policies would likely make him a Democrat today; he'd have no place in today's GOP. Same might be true for Nixon, actually.

Yes indeed; and in the old days Democrats were more frequently the warmongers, indeed; but it was precisely Vietnam that was the turning point (as the 1960s was in so many ways, for good or ill); since McCarthy, Robert Kennedy and McGovern, Democrats are peaceniks of varying shades, and the warmongering (like the pro-corporate trickle-down philosophy, and the various kinds of social conservatism) is concentrated in what we call the conservative party; actually the regressive party. Another example is civil rights; LBJ's policies gave over the white South to the Republicans and blacks to the Democrats.

Originally Posted by princeofcats67

Thank you, Brian. That was very Noble of you.(You're INTJ-ness is indeed refreshing, as usual).

BTW, Eric did finally send me a picture of himself!

A "Studdorn Ole Mule" that one is!

Fortunately, as a registered Green I am not a donkey but a sunflower!




caption: The sunflower is an internationally recognized symbol of Green politics.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Fortunately, as a registered Green I am not a donkey but a sunflower!




caption: The sunflower is an internationally recognized symbol of Green politics.

Which is obedient to a higher power--the Sunflower always looks to the Sun, moving its flower in coordination with the moving Sun when a young bud, but as it ages it becomes fixed, facing East in maturity.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Fortunately, as a registered Green I am not a donkey but a sunflower!




caption: The sunflower is an internationally recognized symbol of Green politics.

sniff...sniff...

OK, I'll tentatively agree with a sunflower for you, Fuzzy. We'll see. I do like it better because it's much more "becoming" instead of "stubborn". But then again, I suppose stubborn is just another way of saying: persistent!(and you are nothing if not persistent).

Uh-oh. I just saw this:

Originally Posted by Chas'88

Which is obedient to a higher power--the Sunflower always looks to the Sun, moving its flower in coordination with the moving Sun when a young bud, but as it ages it becomes fixed, facing East in maturity.

~Chas'88

Well then, I guess we'll just have to stick with persistent!


Prince

PS: I'm glad you didn't take offense to the mule-picture; Of course, none was intended. BTW, nice Dem/Green Donkey/Sunflower analogy. Prince like-y!

"If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won't go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed." - Mitt Romney, 2008

Three years ago, in the midst of an economic crisis, a newly elected President Barack Obama stepped in with a bailout for the auto industry. The indisputable good news is that Chrysler and General Motors are still in business. The equally indisputable bad news is that all the defects in President Obama's management of the American economy are evident in what he did. - Mitt Romney, 2012

http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...,5227978.story

Resurgent General Motors posts record $7.6-billion profit for 2011
- February 16, 2012

Just three years after its 2009 bankruptcy filing, the automaker surpasses what it earned during its heyday in the mid-1990s.

Three years after nearly collapsing into liquidation, a resurgentGeneral Motors Co.has posted its best annual profit, surpassing what it earned during its heyday in the mid-1990s.

In earning $7.6 billion last year, the automaker demonstrated how it has capitalized on its 2009 bankruptcy reorganization and federal bailout to shed brands, slash debt, rewrite union contracts and close surplus factories.

The record annual earnings represented "a remarkable turnaround from what appeared to be a hopeless situation," said Jesse Toprak, an analyst with automotive information company TrueCar.com.

GM now has about a $2,000-per-car manufacturing advantage over its Japanese and European rivals, a swing from a similar-sized disadvantage before the restructuring, said David Cole, chairman emeritus of the Center for Automotive Research.

Candidates' reelection campaigns in PA put out word today that they needed 2,000 signatures to get on the ballot. Romney had 7000 folks show up; other GOP candidates did not divulge their turn out.

Obama had 47000 folks turn out.

Enthusiasm gap is where?

Originally Posted by princeofcats67

Hmmm. Eric, I see it as one side of a coin, so to speak. Probably better stated as one of the facets of a diamond. Personally, I'm most likely best described as being in-line with her. And him.

Prince

Ah, Prince O' Cats. "Changes" is one of my faves as is "Young Americans." Been listening to "Both Sides Now" since I was a kid when Judy Collins sang it. It won a Grammy in the late 60s.

For a long time a painter friend had an article by Joni Mitchell about how she overheard a conversation between a young, new-star musician. What was sad/astonishing to her was the musician was going on and on about how he should ould make music that would make more money and it was his manager who kept telling him to stay true to his artistic vision.

Concerned that Catholic Bishops cannot alone get wild mysterious vaginas under proper control, Senate GOP introduces bill to expand control to all employers -

Roy Blunt’s Push to Overturn Obama’s Contraception Compromise
Feb 15, 2012 7:01 PM EST

A possible amendment to a bipartisan highway bill aims not only to reverse Obama’s birth-control rule—but to let employers pick and choose which health-care services to cover based on their religious or moral beliefs.

House GOP decides that those with wild mysterious vaginas should not be trusted to testify in Congress -

Democratic Women Boycott Issa's Contraception Hearing For Preventing Women From Testifying

This morning, Democrats tore into House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) for preventing women and minorities from testifying before a hearing examining the Obama administration’s new regulation requiring employers and insurers to provide contraception coverage to their employees.

GOP expert panel on wild mysterious vaginas -




Stay tuned! Tomorrow GOP candidates for the presidency will have an unprecedented joint announcement that a newly-developed time machine will be employed to return us all to pre-1920. Those with wild mysterious vaginas can no longer be trusted in the voting booths.

Taliban has issued statement of support.

Drug companies are on board as long as Viagra continues to be fully covered by all insurance policies.

Originally Posted by annla899

Ah, Prince O' Cats. "Changes" is one of my faves as is "Young Americans." Been listening to "Both Sides Now" since I was a kid when Judy Collins sang it. It won a Grammy in the late 60s.

The meaning of the lyrics of Changes is staggering to say the least. I too also love Young Americans, as well as much of Bowie's output from that time(like the way he had the back-up singers reference The Beatles Day In The Life(ie: "I heard the news Today..."). I also really like Judy Collins, but I'll take the original Joni version, as well as her later rendition of the song.

Originally Posted by Ann

For a long time a painter friend had an article by Joni Mitchell about how she overheard a conversation between a young, new-star musician. What was sad/astonishing to her was the musician was going on and on about how he should make music that would make more money and it was his manager who kept telling him to stay true to his artistic vision.

That's a tough-call, IMO. I'm actually involved with helping some producers that are overseeing some younger musicians. I certainly understand the importance of survival/sustainability, but I usually attempt to help these producers understand the importance of starting with a "good song" and then, "capturing a non-false performance". A "good song" is a pretty subjective-term to those that don't have experience in the analyzation of music and what characteristics can help "minimize a song's failure"(help it to be "popular").

Prince

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Originally Posted by princeofcats67

Not specifically(remember, I "cut the diamond" pretty close), but, generally speaking, yes.

I'm going to take this conversation to PM(for a number of reasons).

Sorry for the de-railment.

Prince

Me, too. I probably should have PMed this.

Originally Posted by The Rani

Mules and donkeys are two different species.

I know, but I let it slide. I must admit that it was bugging me a little, though.

Originally Posted by The Rani

(Yes, that is my only insight on Election 2012)

I didn't fare much better. I got in a couple pictures of animals and some music videos. Oh, and a picture of "Bill the Cat".

Prince

Originally Posted by playwrite

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Stay tuned! Tomorrow GOP candidates for the presidency will have an unprecedented joint announcement that a newly-developed time machine will be employed to return us all to pre-1920. Those with wild mysterious vaginas (WMVs) can no longer be trusted in the voting booths....

Joint GOP candidates announcement has been delayed.

Apparently, time machine malfunctioned (Rumor is someone out of curiosity brought Ron Ray-Gun from the '80s to the present, and after 5 minutes with the GOP candidates, Ronnie said that they were all nuts and he decided to re-join the Democratic Party).

Unidentified sources within the GOP candidates' camp have confirmed that the GOP has decided to address their latest WMD fear of WMVs by turning to history in a different manner.

In addition to voter id required in November, those carrying the WMD apparatus of WMVs will also be required to have the following modification installed -



Keys will be provided to upstanding male members of the GOP as erect pillars in their communities.

While it is estimated that these new voting requirements will swell the membership of the male GOP, others are speculating that the GOP may have as much difficulty in finding any WMVs as they did in finding WMDs in Iraq.

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

I feel obliged to point out that the Vietnam War was not started by a Republican. There's plenty of guilt on both sides of the aisle when it comes to warmongering.

This is apparently a truth that will continuously be ignored.

Somebody who knows I'm into generational talk facebooked this to me:
http://www.policymic.com/article/sho...ent-share-link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...bFIR_blog.html

The firm’s poll finds that one of the most important factors powering Obama’s gains against likely GOP nominee Mitt Romney has been the President’s improving numbers among unmarried women, a key pillar of the present and future Democratic coalition.

Among this group, Obama now leads Romney by 65-30 — and there’s been a net 18-point swing towards the President among them:

After unmarried women dropped off for Dems in 2010 and were slow to return to the Dem fold in 2011, Obama is now approaching the 70 percent he won among them in 2008.

Originally Posted by annla899

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Deleted because way off topic.

Off topic or not, you're always a good read.

Originally Posted by millennialX

Somebody who knows I'm into generational talk facebooked this to me:
http://www.policymic.com/article/sho...ent-share-link

I think it's safe to say Millenials in general are no longer harboring illusions about Obama being something other than a standard partisan politician. And the failure of his economic policies has slapped them in the face. His approval rating among 18-29 has dropped more than any other group, although that's partly because it had farther to fall. How they will vote in November is not a certainty, but I think it is safe to say that their participation will be way down from 2008. I've spoken to many who are not merely disillusioned about Obama, but embarrassed that they fell for his sales pitch. It's definitely no longer "cool" to be a big Obama supporter. Which is not to say it's now cool to be a Republican, although Ron Paul holds on to some of the "coolness factor" that Obama once had.

In short, Millenials have been burned badly by Obama, but the Republicans have not necessarily benefited from it. They're just becoming more cynical and detached, i.e. they're catching up with Xers.

Originally Posted by Deb C

This is apparently a truth that will continuously be ignored.

Let's hope so, since it's not true anymore.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

I think it's safe to say Millenials in general are no longer harboring illusions about Obama being something other than a standard partisan politician.

If you eliminate "partisan" you'd be even more correct. I think the Millies (and others) who bought into the "hope and change" mantra got a lot more "politics as usual" from Obama than they wished for. Sure, Obama has his partisan moments, but those who are most disillusioned probably hoped he'd be *more* partisan and not use the Clintonesque "triangulation" to position himself between Congressional Democrats and GOP opposition. That triangulation worked for Clinton in the 3T but has little chance in a 4T.

As far as catching up to the Xers in cynicism, that may be true to a degree, but by and large Millies are still young and dynamic enough to affect real change that could profoundly affect their own lives for decades to come. Xers (especially the Atari Wavers and Jones cuspers) are pretty much resigned to the idea that the planets are aligned to screw them more than anyone that comes before or after them (rightly or wrongly).

Originally Posted by ziggyX65

If you eliminate "partisan" you'd be even more correct. I think the Millies (and others) who bought into the "hope and change" mantra got a lot more "politics as usual" from Obama than they wished for. Sure, Obama has his partisan moments, but those who are most disillusioned probably hoped he'd be *more* partisan and not use the Clintonesque "triangulation" to position himself between Congressional Democrats and GOP opposition. That triangulation worked for Clinton in the 3T but has little chance in a 4T.

I think you're speaking for yourself. Not Millenials, many of whom really believed he would bring everybody together, create world peace and calm the seas. They also didn't realize he'd be terrible when it came to the economy.