Pointing out a catalyst does not make an excuse. Old conservative Jedi mind trick.Originally Posted by Weave
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Pointing out a catalyst does not make an excuse. Old conservative Jedi mind trick.
Yes Aramea, just like the Illinois Nazis and other idiots get to march, just like people can burn a flag, just like people can drop a crucifix in a jar of piss and call it art, just like we are arguing here today...its called "Freedom Baby...yeah" (in my Austin Power's voice)....Thats not zero sum...zero sum is someone deeming anothers speech bad and making a law or rule saying you can no longer say it...thats Orwellian....
Sorry, Weave ... on this I will not cave (zero sum baby, yeah!). Two parties can be wrong at the same time. It's a fact.
Meanwhile back at the ranch....
Median income is down to 1995 levels.....well done Obama...well done....
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ed14f...#axzz26IenHv8d
You notice that it started plummeting in 2006, right?Meanwhile back at the ranch....
Median income is down to 1995 levels.....well done Obama...well done....
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ed14f...#axzz26IenHv8d
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
No he didn't. Only one can be wrong and that is Obama and he wasn't in charge back then. Your reading comp. must be off tonight. Nothing bad happened before Obama.
You are missing the point....the Illinois Nazi's are wrong, doesnt mean they dont have the right to free speech...In your world, if it offends you, you dont get to say it...
Once again, you assume too much. I don't get offended much (actually, I already said this). Free speech is fine until what you say kills people. Why is "pastor" Jones getting a pass here? Here is a hint: anti-Muslim "films" don't offend me. The fact that they are made knowing the effect they have pisses me off. Justifying it in the name of being "anti-PC" is just stupidity. Four people died over this and you sit here and justify it.
Geeze, that BS meme is spreading fast, I just heard it this morning and now all of you RWers are parroting it.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
JPT thinks only evangelicals are "real" Christians.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
A person has a right to be a bigoted **hole. Others also have a right to criticize and mock the person being a bigoted ***hole, but no one has any right to get violent in response to that person. Whoever made the film is a hateful bigot, but he has a right to spew his hate as long as he is not directly terrorizing others with it. The rioters are clearly in the wrong and I am rather angry how many of my fellow LWers over at Democratic Underground are supporting censorship.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
The lack of self-awareness is staggering. Do they also support censoring Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Bill Maher, et al? Of course not. Nor do they see the "bigoted ***hole" in the mirror.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987
World Views, Again
I'm not in the least surprised that you are saying this. It is consistent with US values. It is also a statement of values, not an absolute truth. The above falls out from Jefferson's self evident truths. Said self evident truths are as close to the center of my political world view as anything.
But some people really and truly love their gods, and treating their gods with less than all due respect is blasphemy, is really truly unforgivable in the extreme. From within the context of your own world view the rioters are wrong, but not necessarily within the context of the rioter's world view.
I know where I've been and what I have done, punk.Another internet tough guy....
And, I'm pretty sure where you've never been and what you have never done. It's pretty easy to tell when you spout sanctimonious crap like freedom-of-speech on the Internet and from the bosom of being in your own country surrounded by not only two oceans but 100s of thousands of patriots in our armed forces, foreign service and intelligence services that have their lives on the line so that you and others can say as stupid as possible things. The question is why would you? Believing that it is okay to put those people at even greater risk not only makes you an asshole but a snot nose punk.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Clarity
Ah. Such admirable clarity in language.
F U a-hole.
Neither I nor the Cairo embassy excused anything.
What they said BEFORE the attacks was that bigoted Americans, like you, don't help us win hearts and minds.
Once there were attacks, they condemned the action in the strongest of diplomatic terms. Moreover, 50 Marines (unlike you, real men that actually put their lives on the line) have been detached, Predator drones are on their way to backup surveillance drones, and two cruisers with cruise missiles stationing offshore so try not to wet your bed tonight.
Like Romney, your infantile bluster and blunder, Bush-like cowboy bullshit is exactly what makes it easy for terrorists to get the upper hand on swaying hearts and minds their way and not ours.
Your shit is not only stupid beyond belief, but it is unpatriotic and gets our people killed. Like Romney, the best thing you can do for your country is STFU.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Darn those liberal pollsters at Fox
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...nvention-poll/
I guess those liberal Fox pollsters was exactly what Rush Limbaugh was ranting about -Fox News poll: Obama ticket has edge after conventions wrap up
An increase in support from women as well as independents gives Barack Obama a post-convention advantage over challenger Mitt Romney. The president receives a five percentage-point bounce among women and a 12-point bounce among independents, in a Fox News poll released Wednesday.
Overall, the Obama-Biden ticket tops the Romney-Ryan ticket by 48 to 43 percent among likely voters.
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That’s a four-point “convention bounce” for Obama among likely voters. Before the conventions, Romney edged Obama by one point (45-44 percent, August 19-21, 2012).
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20...o_dispirit_you
Rush attacking Fox - the death throes of the American Right.An All-Out Media Onslaught to Dispirit You
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: My question is, why is Obama still campaigning? Could somebody explain that to me. Everywhere I look, this election's over. Why, Obama has hit 50% approval in the polls now for the first time ever. The bounce out of that disaster of a convention was unprecedented, other than Dukakis who had a 17-point lead after his, and somehow he lost. Brit Hume said today on Fox, "Well, you know, you gotta keep in mind the guy leading in the polls in mid-September rarely loses." Ever heard of Dukakis? Ever heard of Jimmy Carter? And now Public Policy Polling has a poll out saying Obama's at 50% in Ohio. They're closing the gap. They're gonna win Ohio now. Except Obama might lose New Mexico. New Mexico is still in play. They're not telling you that. But why's Obama still raising money? Why is he still campaigning, if this is over?
Folks, this is so predictable. The campaign to depress you and to dispirit you is underway, and it's at full bore. It's going 150%. These people have a disaster of a convention they're trying to turn into the greatest convention ever. Obama is pitied. I can't tell you all the theories. I've got people depressed 'cause they think the new iPhone isn't gonna have anything in it. I'm surrounded by it. And I'm here to tell you, it is September the 10th. There's two months to go. There's no way this is over. There is no way.
I'll give you another example. TheHill.com had a poll last week. I don't have it here in front of me. But it was a devastating poll to Obama. The Washington Post and ABC News poll was devastating to Obama. Just last week, on Tuesday at his convention, TheHill.com poll had 52% thinking the country's headed in the wrong direction, Obama's bad for the country. It was horrible. The polling data from last week, Tuesday of the convention, was absolutely disastrous. And now all of a sudden it's done a 180 in a week and all that last week doesn't matter, and now TheHill.com has a poll out. Guess what they say? Guess what they went out and asked people? Do you think you're not being played and set up, you know what? This election it is not about Obama. It's not a referendum on Obama. Oh, no. This is a choice between two men. Why, they went out and they polled the exact theme of Obama's speech, which was Jimmy Carter's speech of 1980, which Pat Caddell says, hey, I recognize that; I wrote it.
So now it's not a referendum on Obama. It's a choice between two guys, which means, of course, whatever Romney says matters. I'm here to tell you, folks, you have got to stay bucked up. The effort to depress you and keep you home, I've never seen it like this before in my life. I have never seen this intense an effort by the Democrat machine, including the pollsters, and it's sucking in a lot of our media. A lot of conservative media's getting sucked in by this. They're buying it 'cause they get caught up in the bubble that is the world as created and defined every day by the mainstream media. Their lives hinge on polling. And of course the polling, if you look carefully, you can find flaws.
The polls are just being used as another tool of voter suppression. The polls are an attempt to not reflect public opinion, but to shape it. Yours. They want to depress the heck out of you, and they want to suppress your vote. The polls are of adults, registered voters. Let me tell you the polls that count, and those are the polls a couple of weeks before the election. That's when the pollsters worry about holding onto their credibility. Those are the polls that everybody remembers. Nobody's gonna talk about what Public Policy Polling said in a poll in Ohio on September 10th. They're gonna worry about what Public Policy Polling said a week before the election, and that's when Public Policy Polling, a liberal group out of North Carolina, is gonna tell you what's really going on.
So if you like polls, forget about 'em until two weeks before the election, because these now are being used specifically to depress you, to hang you up, to get you not voting, to get you mad at Romney. They want you to think Romney's horrible; Romney's worthless; Romney's not conservative; Romney's selling you out; Romney's this or that; the election's not about Obama at all.
Last edited by playwrite; 09-12-2012 at 11:05 PM.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Do you eat with that mouth?
Obama was not on the same page as his Embassy and they issued 2 statements, one after the attack that reiterated what they said earlier, while condemning the embassy attack. The attacks came on 9/11. Looks like Obama was caught with his pants down. No heightened security on this day??? They didn't expect anything to happen yesterday? This movie was hardly the motivation for the Benghazi attack. Obama's embrace the "Arab Spring" and the Muslim Brotherhood is having very negative consequences.
I'm amazed how many liberal are now saying "politics stop at our shoreline" a convenient excuse now that we have a Dem Pres. Where were those arguments in 2003-09. John Kerry, Hillary and Obama never seemed to observe this during the War in Iraq....In fact on several occasion in 2008 after a high casualty event Obama was out attacking Bush and McCain immediately.
I agree with you about the Marines, they truly are heroes. They are fight for our rights to free speech as well as other freedoms, and I certainly hope for your sons safety and well being. I can however assure you that as a former Law Enforcement officer every time I made a traffic stop or other "routine" police activities my life was on the line. When have you put yourself out there serving others at risk to your safety?
Anyways feel free to continue your personal attacks I wont getting sucked back into hurling personal insults...
And to anyone out there reading this I referred to Playwrite earlier as a "libtard" I know this word offends some of you so I wont use it again. I was responding to Playwrite use of the "Tea-bagger" a sexual innuendo. However its no excuse I shouldn't have got sucked into the personal attacks...
Last edited by Weave; 09-12-2012 at 11:35 PM.
FOX News now gives Obama +5. So much for Weave & JPT's contention that Obama's convention bounce is gone! The Real Clear average is now +3.5 Obama.
I might think Rush is about the stupidist person in the world; then I remember those extreme Islamists who murder people because someone else insults their ancient leader. Not the first time, either. We're really dealing with some backward people in the world today.
No, it was still free speech.
...or threatens you, you don't get to say it.
Gee, I know where I've been and what I've done, what I've made of and what I've been able to make it through as well. Gee, I must be extra special...
We all have the right to respond violently, it's a matter of whether the choice IS to respond violently or verbally or let it slide, based on whether it would be worth the price or not worth the price or whether or not the person, place or thing is worth defending.
Last edited by Exile 67'; 09-13-2012 at 02:50 AM.
