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Post#9676 at 09-18-2012 10:51 AM by JustPassingThrough [at joined Dec 2006 #posts 5,196]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post

Wow. That's beyond a stretch. How you can equate the lukewarm validation of a healthcare insurance plan with the impending collapse of the republic is beyond ny ability to even comment. It's just bizarre.
The law represents a massive government takeover of the health care system, and it has been overwhelmingly opposed by the American people since before it was passed. Those in power have managed to force it on the people anyway. It proves that the people are no longer in control of the government.

Is this a case of "my country right or wrong", or more a case of "my country right as always"?
Apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension.
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Post#9677 at 09-18-2012 10:55 AM by JustPassingThrough [at joined Dec 2006 #posts 5,196]
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Quote Originally Posted by Aramea View Post
It is all that they are talking about this morning. There are 50 days until the election and Romney keeps reaffirming the caracatures of him.

Right wing pundits correctly point out that there are still debates coming up. After the last few gaffes, the bar could be very high for Romney's performance, while Obama just needs to show up and not screw up too much (no guns and religion, KK?). Obama is not as good at ad-libbing, but he has gotten better. He really probably won't outright gaffe during the debates. So, Romney is left with outspending Obama in crazy ads on TV.
Nobody cares about this stuff, it's just the media trying to win it for its candidate, Obama. Everybody sees that at this point. What has happened in the Middle East is real news. What's happening with the economy is real news. Nitpicking Romney's statements isn't.

Once again, for those who are paying attention: Obama's lead in polls taken after the DNC ended is 1.3%, with over 7% undecided. The assumptions about turnout made by these pollsters is the only real question. If it looks like 2008, the polls are right. If it looks more like every election that's happened since 2009, Romney is probably winning.

While the rank-and-file followers of the Democratic Party may not realize that, the people who run it and the media do. That's why the media has dropped any pretense of journalism at this point. They're giving it everything they have, because they know it may not be enough.
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Post#9678 at 09-18-2012 11:06 AM by Brian Rush [at California joined Jul 2001 #posts 12,392]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
The law represents a massive government takeover of the health care system
Well, no, actually it does nothing of the kind. But thanks for playing. [Rolleyes]

Oh, I figured out where you got the idea that 47% of the voters will vote for Obama no matter what. You're quoting Romney. He's wrong.
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Post#9679 at 09-18-2012 11:08 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rush View Post
You can if you don't care to demonstrate with even a shred of argument, reason or evidence that you have a clue what you're talking about. Why would it be difficult to extricate ourselves from the Middle East, assuming we're willing to abandon both our "special" relationship with Israel and control of the oil supply?
Alright, I see your itching to "play." I'll go along for a post or two, but I'm not really much interested given everything else going on. Maybe I’m just getting too old for this discussion for the umpteen time, but I'm pretty sure what you have to say is the same BS arguments that have been mimed for decades.

Simply, the US electorate is not going to stand for anything that looks like or can be portrayed as abandoning Israel. The US electorate is not going to stand for a hegemony vacuum being filled by Iran. The U.S electorate is not going to stand for $20 pump prices no matter how blue-in-the-face you get at telling them it is just transitory - I still see lots of Hummers being driven around.

As you may have observed, I tend to let people know that I'm not one to argue about Magic Ponies. That includes highly desirable but politically pointless possibilities like say single payer health coverage or magic wand isolationism from the Middle East.

Feel free to make your magic pony arguments and get as outraged as you want but you're going up against decades of it ain't happened yet.
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Post#9680 at 09-18-2012 11:12 AM by JustPassingThrough [at joined Dec 2006 #posts 5,196]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Yep. And yet another local liberal judge has just overturned Scott Walker's reforms in WI, after the people just voted, in larger numbers than the first time, to re-elect him. That can't be good for Obama's chances in WI.
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Post#9681 at 09-18-2012 11:19 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Sometimes a picture

says more than a 1000 words -



What's missing there is Romney and the 3000 other super rich (the 0.1%) who also paid no federal taxes.
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Post#9682 at 09-18-2012 11:20 AM by Brian Rush [at California joined Jul 2001 #posts 12,392]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Simply, the US electorate is not going to stand for anything that looks like or can be portrayed as abandoning Israel.
You said the same thing Marx & Lennon did and I answered it. This falls into the category of "won't," not "can't." I did say "we," remember. And last I checke, "we" are the U.S. electorate. So if the U.S. electorate "won't stand for" such a move, that means that WE will not do it. However, it doesn't mean we couldn't.

If we won't, then we just have to live with the consequences, which means with constant violence directed against us abroad. And in perfect frankness, we deserve it.
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
Yep. And yet another local liberal judge has just overturned Scott Walker's reforms in WI, after the people just voted, in larger numbers than the first time, to re-elect him. That can't be good for Obama's chances in WI.
So, it's the Middle East, the economy and union busting that are important here. Romney's words mean nothing. LOL, that's quite a candidate you got there.







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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
My liberal friends in Chicago would certainly never vote for Romney, but they are definitely pissed off about the strike, esp the ones with kids.
I think Obama's reaction to the whole thing was "no comment." Quite a presidential statement.
I have heard mixed things about the strike, but I do not live there and I do not have a child there. From what I have heard, classroom conditions are less than optimal. Is that true from your friends' perspective?







Post#9685 at 09-18-2012 11:34 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDFP View Post
Some interesting thoughts here. My perspective? If Westboro Church (and I won't say Westboro "Baptist" because it's an insult to most decent Baptists out there) wants to make an embarrassing ass of themselves and stand on a street corner and picket a veteran's funeral - they have the inalienable right to do so. Is it bad taste? Absolutely. But they have this right to do this. Do I agree with what they are doing? Absolutely not. But, I'll defend their ability to be able to make asses of themselves as that's their inalienable right to speak their piece.

If biker gangs wants to park their bikes across from the cemetery and rev-up their engines during the funeral so the family of the fallen soldier doesn't have to listen to the jeers and insults of the Westboro folks - they have the right to do this and should be able to do so.

A nut from Westboro does not have the right to become violent and aggressive with people who are walking by them. Likewise, the biker gang does not have the right to kick the shit out of the Westboro people for making asses of themselves (even though many of us wouldn't mind to see that happen) as that would be an infringement on their personage.

If someone wants to make an inflammatory Christian or Islamic film - they should be able to say what they want to say. It doesn't mean I have to be subjected to agree with it or watch it. And if Christians or Muslims want to protest what is said in said film - they should be able to do so in a peaceful manner. If the Muslim Brotherhood wants to decide to use the excuse of a film maybe 50 people had seen to slaughter an ambassador - it's not acceptable. Violence should never be an outcome of protest out of dissent for thought - and when it is it should be quashed immediately and forcefully of necessary to protect everyone.

By their actions you shall know them though - terrorists like to hide behind religious affiliations.

j.p.
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Not going to play well in the independent suburbs

Soledad lowers the boom -

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/...anan-romney-ca

On Tuesday, Buchanan had the unenviable task of trying to do damage control while being grilled by CNN host Soledad O'Brien.

"As a candidate, he can't worry about those he can't get," Buchanan explained, adding that the media should be focusing on "one out of every six Americans are in poverty today and that 47 million are taking food stamps in order to take care of themselves and their families."

"Listen, I fully understand the strategy is to turn to the 'real problem' and talk about something else, but I'm going to keep you on this," O'Brien said. "He says 47 percent of Americans pay no tax. That's not correct. ... Forty-seven percent of those people who pay no income tax -- look at that chart there -- 61 percent of those folks, they're paying payroll tax, money is coming out of their paycheck. It's being described as the myth of sort of the deadbeat nation."

O'Brien continued by reading a satirical op-ed titled "Thurston Howell Romney" that was written by conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks: "The people who receive the disproportionate share of government spending are not big-government lovers. They are Republicans. They are senior citizens. They are white men with high school degrees. As Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution has noted, the people who have benefited from the entitlements explosion are middle-class workers, more so than the dependent poor."

"So essentially, didn't Mitt Romney in these leaked tapes bash his own voters?" O'Brien wondered. "Those are the people who are voting for Mitt Romney."

"Honey," Buchanan replied, "He recognized that more and more people are becoming dependant on government."

"Aren't the people he's bashing to these wealthy donors, these are Republicans, these are white men with high school diplomas?" O'Brien pressed. "These very people are the people who are going to vote for him and now you have a major problem. ... He's not talking -- 47 percent of the nation is not on food stamps."

"It was inarticulate, I admit," Buchanan said.

"There's a sense that the campaign is in big trouble," O'Brien pointed out. "Bloomberg [News] writes, 'Today Mitt Romney lost the election.' Politico says the wheels are falling off. Is that correct? Is it just a hot mess in there?"

"Certainly this is a bump in the road," Buchanan agreed. "But is anybody looking at the campaign of Barack Obama? He's spent the last week with America watching as his foreign policy of appeasement and apologies has disintegrated. We have problems around this world in all the Muslim countries, where anti-American sentiment is unbelievable. And that's a good week?"

"But aren't you kind of answering your own question," O'Brien pointed out. "When you say, isn't anybody looking at the campaign of Barack Obama, isn't it like, 'No because look at the headlines'? You're drawing focus from your own campaign by these headlines."

"No, that's an indictment on the media, Soledad," Buchanan insisted. "Is it not a story that one out of every six Americans is in poverty? Is that not a much bigger story, that 47 million Americans have to take food stamps to take care of themselves and their families and that's because of four years of Barack Obama, and that he has no new fresh ideas on how to put America back to work? That's what Mitt Romney's all about, that's what our campaign is about. That seems to be a whole lot more important than some comment that he may have inarticulately stated."

"I appreciate your spin on it," O'Brien concluded. "But I think 'inarticulately stated' is the least of the problems."
O'Brien is really coming into her own.

However, the real problem here is the David Brooks piece -

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/op...mney.html?_r=1

Thurston Howell Romney

"The people who receive the disproportionate share of government spending are not big-government lovers. They are Republicans. They are senior citizens. They are white men with high school degrees. As Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution has noted, the people who have benefited from the entitlements explosion are middle-class workers, more so than the dependent poor."
- Brooks is your GOP apologist that tries to look like he's the moderate. This is not going to play well with those voters in the suburbs who may or may not be in the 47% but want to believe that a moderate GOP leader will reach out with those conservative values and lift many in the 47% - not write them off. They're not interest in Thurstom Howell, but that's what the GOP is offering.
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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
Back on topic, Romney has self-destructed again. The surreptitious video of him writing off nearly half the population because they see themselves as victims depending on government entitlements will be the big news story tomorrow and for some time. Nice of some one to let us know what he really thinks.
Unfortunately, as shown by the vicious personal attacks and stalking behavior by Glick and Wallace towards me, a lot of people agree with that attitude.
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rush View Post
You said the same thing Marx & Lennon did and I answered it. This falls into the category of "won't," not "can't." I did say "we," remember. And last I checke, "we" are the U.S. electorate. So if the U.S. electorate "won't stand for" such a move, that means that WE will not do it. However, it doesn't mean we couldn't.

If we won't, then we just have to live with the consequences, which means with constant violence directed against us abroad. And in perfect frankness, we deserve it.
Unfortunately, we're in complete agreement on this.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
My liberal friends in Chicago would certainly never vote for Romney, but they are definitely pissed off about the strike, esp the ones with kids.
I think Obama's reaction to the whole thing was "no comment." Quite a presidential statement.
Interesting how you small govt folks turn to the federal govt to get involved in local issues.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Their perspective is that they want their kids back in school.

As for the election:

Obama Campaign on Teachers' Strike: It's Not a Political Distraction


But yeah, it's a complicated issue. Much easier to turn Romney's dumb statements into headlines.
Our country is so screwed.
Romney gets caught writing off nearly half the population, many of them die-hard Republicans, and you don't think that deserves headlines???

Hey, I think they could use you on the Romney team, I hear there's going to be a number of openings soon.
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Post#9691 at 09-18-2012 12:21 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
The law represents a massive government takeover of the health care system, and it has been overwhelmingly opposed by the American people since before it was passed. Those in power have managed to force it on the people anyway. It proves that the people are no longer in control of the government.
The law represents a governement mandate for insurance coverage ... private insurance coverage exclusively! I would have prefered a public optin at the very least, but no such luck. I'm not sure how you got to the point of seeing this as a massive takeover of anything.

Quote Originally Posted by JPT ...
Apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension.
Were you looking for a third option? You agreed that US motives could be questioned but that there was a always a justification. You gave no such variance to the other side, regardless of who that may be. So my queston was simple: do you agree that the US may be wrong but is our nation to support, or do you accept the justifications, regardless?
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I don't know, but it's obviously a lot more complicated than the movie "causing" the riots.
It's no wonder that the Obama administration is sticking with that story, though. They screwed up big time if they warned Americans in Egypt but not Libya, and now the ambassador is dead.
How exactly do you think intelligence works? When it's wokring well, it's stil the world's cloudiest crystal ball. Start with the assumption that everyday several hundred potential threats are uncovered somewhere. Now sort, sift and make no errors.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I think you need to put on your reading glasses again.
I said "liberal," not "libertarian."
yea, I guess I was thrown off by this -

Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
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I think Obama's reaction to the whole thing was "no comment." Quite a presidential statement.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Their perspective is that they want their kids back in school...
... which is always the fault of the worker bees, not management. I see.
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It's the Indys

I don't think this is Mittens biggest fallout, but it doesn't help -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...get-5/?hpid=z2

Mitt Romney will probably get 95 electoral votes from ‘moocher’ states. Obama will probably get 5.

Mitt Romney’s comments on the 47 percent of Americans who make too little to pay income tax and “will vote for this president no matter what” are causing him some political problems this morning. But could they cause him any electoral problems? Is he really insulting anyone who would already be willing to vote for him?

Actually, yes.
The Tax Foundation put out this helpful map of the states with the highest and lowest percentage of people who don’t file income tax returns. The biggest non-filing states are — except Florida and New Mexico — solid red states:
... and guess why FL and NM have a high percentage of non-filers? Maybe a lot of retirees on SS and Medicare, you think?


However, I think this will be his bigger fallout -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d-and-shelter/

Most independents believe the government should guarantee food and shelter

Mitt Romney says he’s not worrying about persuading the “47 percent” of Americans “who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.” Instead, Romney wants to focus on the “the five to 10 percent in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful.”

But it’s worth remembering that a significant majority of these independent voters also hold a strong view of the safety net:
They believe that the government should help those in need—and that it should guarantee basic food and shelter, according to a Pew poll that Jim Tankersley flags.

In June, Pew found that 59 percent of independents believe that the government “should help those who cannot help themselves.” Moreover, 58 percent believe that the government should guarantee minimal food and shelter. Those views have weakened slightly over the past few years, but they’re still held more strongly by independents than self-identified Republicans,...
His 47% fubar is not going to play well in JPT's coveted suburbs.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Ya know, I read somewhere that eye-rolling is bad for your mental health.
You might have missed this too, so here it is again:

Now he says "no comment." Nice.
There are around 15,000 school districts in the US. One would think that if the issues in Chicago were primarily about general national issues, you would get at least a few more strikes.

Let's take a listen -

Cue the crickets.

Hmmm, the only sound I hear is just another Obama hater trying to make another ridiculous case for blaming him for everything that goes on in the world, well, as long as they can also paint whatever as being bad.

I return you to your hysteria.
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
It seems as though the Egyptian government actually broadcast the video (or at least reported and promoted it) on state-run TV in advance of Sept. 11. The Egyptian government is now run by the Muslim Brotherhood, thanks to Obama. They are widely thought to have dealings with Al Qaeda. Whatever group or groups have a hand in fomenting this clearly have a reach throughout the Middle East. The attack in Libya was obviously more focused than the other "protests", was probably Al Qaeda, and may have been more possible because of the continuing disarray in that country.
I'm puzzled as to why you think the Obama administration is responsible for who is running Egypt. Do you think that we should have sent in our army to keep propping up Mubarek? That is what it would have taken to avoid the current leadership.
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







Post#9698 at 09-18-2012 12:59 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I don't think this is Mittens biggest fallout, but it doesn't help -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...get-5/?hpid=z2



... and guess why FL and NM have a high percentage of non-filers? Maybe a lot of retirees on SS and Medicare, you think?


However, I think this will be his bigger fallout -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d-and-shelter/



His 47% fubar is not going to play well in JPT's coveted suburbs.
I've just read that the "Opposition researcher" who got a hold of that video is Jimmy Carter's Xer grandson!

A little payback for Reagan's October Surprise.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism







Post#9699 at 09-18-2012 01:15 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Throughout the preceding 3T and into the current Crisis Era, poverty has been the third rail of American politics. The hustlers intent on quick profits from wars for profit, environmental degradation, resource depletion, corruption in real estate and lending, and privatizing the public sector have had the money in politics and thus dominance in the discussion. Rather than recognizing mass poverty as a symptom of political pathology (quick-buck gains that do few people good but end up costing us all) our right-wing politicians have either blamed the poor for the consequences or as moderates recognizing the futility of discussing poverty have changed the subject so that they can discuss such issues as "infrastructure", "foreign trade", or "morality". Poverty that results from economic insecurity and inequality that the economic elites want is taboo.

One of the ironies about so few people paying federal income tax is that we have so many people in poverty. Taxing the poor creates hardships that cause even more need for welfare -- or acquiescence in severe destitution including homelessness and malnutrition.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#9700 at 09-18-2012 01:24 PM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Not having the balls to prove me wrong: Check
Straight from the Wiki:

Isolationism is the policy or doctrine of isolating one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, foreign trade, international agreements, etc., seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement and remain at peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities. Two other terms often associated with Isolationism, but not necessarily the same as Isolationism, are:

  1. Non-interventionism – Says that political rulers should avoid entangling alliances with other nations and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial differences (self-defense). However, most non-interventionists are supporters of free trade, travel, and support certain international agreements, and therefore differ from isolationists.
  2. Protectionism – Relates more often to economics, there should be legal barriers to control trade and cultural exchange with people in other states.


Non-interventionism isn't isolationism.

Simple enough, or do you use different dictionaries in your magic pony land?
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.

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