Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

I live in VA. If Obama is up 8 points in VA, I'm Santa Claus. He won it by 2 points in 2008. Since then, the state has elected a Republican governor (more conservative than Romney) with over 60% of the vote, and the Democrats have generally been wiped out up and down the ballot throughout the state.

What's more, the likely voters in this poll are more favorable to Obama than the registered voters. That never happens. Simply put, the poll is less valuable than toilet paper. At least toilet paper has a use.

The relevant conclusion of the poll is that the Washington Post has completely lost its mind.

I also live in Virginia, and the McDonnell years have not been kind to the GOP's reputation. They have alienated a large percentage of NoVA and Tidewater residents by insisting that tolls are a better way to fund critical infrastructure construction than raising the gas tax, now unchanged for 30 years. either locale favored tolls on their already overburdened roads, bridges and tunnels. Then there was the non-stop barrage of assaults on women's health, which just jumped the shark by forcing all abortion clinics to be retrofitted as full service hospitals. Of course, we also have an Attorney General who seems to sue over culture issues at every opportunity, even wasting a few million suing about climate change emails.

Actually the list of inanities is simply too long to list. I'll stop here.

Yes, we Virginians have had our fair share of Republican nonsense of late ... more than our fair share.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

There are now 4 recent polls in the RCP Average. This is where the race stands, for those interested in reality:

Obama: 47.5
Romney: 45.8

Margin: Obama +1.7
Undecided: 6.75

Considering the breadth and scope of the now-public Romney faux pas with his rich buddies, polling will be unreliable for a while. Anything prior to now through the next two weeks will be biased. By then, we'll know.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

I live in VA. If Obama is up 8 points in VA, I'm Santa Claus. He won it by 2 points in 2008. Since then, the state has elected a Republican governor (more conservative than Romney) with over 60% of the vote, and the Democrats have generally been wiped out up and down the ballot throughout the state.

No. Obama won Virginia by 6 points, not 2. Plus, the Republican Governor is not very popular right now, thanks to the flaps about vaginal ultrasounds, a requirement passed by the Virginia legislature that the Governor had to back off of.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

I also live in Virginia, and the McDonnell years have not been kind to the GOP's reputation. They have alienated a large percentage of NoVA and Tidewater residents by insisting that tolls are a better way to fund critical infrastructure construction than raising the gas tax, now unchanged for 30 years. either locale favored tolls on their already overburdened roads, bridges and tunnels. Then there was the non-stop barrage of assaults on women's health, which just jumped the shark by forcing all abortion clinics to be retrofitted as full service hospitals. Of course, we also have an Attorney General who seems to sue over culture issues at every opportunity, even wasting a few million suing about climate change emails.

Actually the list of inanities is simply too long to list. I'll stop here.

Yes, we Virginians have had our fair share of Republican nonsense of late ... more than our fair share.

Thankfully, you are wildly out of step with most VA residents.

Originally Posted by The Wonkette

No. Obama won Virginia by 6 points, not 2. Plus, the Republican Governor is not very popular right now, thanks to the flaps about vaginal ultrasounds, a requirement passed by the Virginia legislature that the Governor had to back off of.

Strange. The CNN article accompanying the link said it was 2 points. I should have known better than to take it in place of my memory. Anyway, a long list of polls throughout the year have shown the race tied in VA. Same for the Senate race. Which means the Republicans are ahead.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

There are now 4 recent polls in the RCP Average. This is where the race stands, for those interested in reality:

Obama: 47.5
Romney: 45.8

Margin: Obama +1.7
Undecided: 6.75

Ummm, no.
The composite Obama lead is 3%.

Originally Posted by RCPolitics

RCP Average

9/4 - 9/17

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48.5

45.5

Obama +3.0

And if one digs into the specific polls sampled one finds that only Fox and Rasmussen ever show Rmoney with a lead. In fact if you subtract the Rasmussen result from the latest sample Obama's average lead grows to 3.4%. And a 3.4% gap in a race where there are only 6% undecided means that Rmoney has to capture about 78% of the undecideds.
And no, Reagan never faced a slope that steep even when Carter polled well.

Originally Posted by Washington Post

A post-election summary of polls by then-CBS News pollster Warren Mitofsky shows that at no point over the final two weeks did Carter have a lead bigger than three percentage points. There is a published Gallup poll not included in that report showing Carter up six among likely voters in a poll conducted Oct. 24 to 27. Whether six or the eight points cited today, Carter's advantage in Gallup polling was offset by similarly large Reagan leads in NBC-Associated Press or DMI (Reagan's pollsters) polls.

The bottom line is that there was no evident momentum for either candidate as the 1980 presidential election neared its completion. That is until Reagan's breakthrough debate performance.

Of course, at that time Carter was the president with sub-30 percent approval ratings, and Reagan the relative outsider seeking to prove himself to be a "safe" choice.

If Obama's approval rate goes down to the twenties before election day then maybe you have a real comparison to 1980.
Otherwise you're just wishing out loud.

Originally Posted by herbal tee

Ummm, no.
The composite Obama lead is 3%.


And if one digs into the specific polls sampled one finds that only Fox and Rasmussen ever show Rmoney with a lead. In fact if you subtract the Rasmussen result from the latest sample Obama's average lead grows to 3.4%. And a 3.4% gap in a race where there are only 6% undecided means that Rmoney has to capture about 78% of the undecideds.
And no, Reagan never faced a slope that steep even when Carter polled well.




If Obama's approval rate goes down to the twenties before election day then maybe you have a real comparison to 1980.
Otherwise you're just wishing out loud.

You seem to have missed the point. The 4 polls at the top are recent. The rest all include some portion of Democratic convention. Obama had a bounce, and it has receded. Also, the Fox poll has often been more favorable to Obama than other polls. Gallup and Rasmussen have been the most favorable to Romney.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

Actually, yes. Yes it most certainly does matter. I think you will find that if you go to someone elses home when you aren't invited and start breaking stuff then sooner or later you are guaranteed to get a negative reaction.

Doesn't the same rule/standard apply to them as well? Does the Muslim world keep its acts of terrorizism to itself or does/has it used acts of terrorizism abroad as well. I assume you're familiar with the idea of getting even and the action of evening up or settling scores.

Originally Posted by The Rani

My liberal friends in Chicago would certainly never vote for Romney, but they are definitely pissed off about the strike, esp the ones with kids.
I think Obama's reaction to the whole thing was "no comment." Quite a presidential statement.

Since the Chicago teachers' strike is local, that's probably a wise comment for the president.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Getting bad with the memory in your twilight years, eh? I suppose it's something we've all got to look forward to. Lemme see if I can help. I'll limit myself to only going back to yesterday, since even that little bit yields a wealth of answer to your question. I've paraphrased where the structure of your sentence didn't grammatically lend itself to directly-answering-by-quote, but you'll find each of your posts is linked to my quote or paraphrase, so you can verify for yourself that I haven't misrepresented what you said:

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Perhaps your memory is jogged now? These are claims you have made in the last 48 hours which you have not only utterly failed to even make an attempt to rationally support -- you have artfully dodged and weaved past every single attempt made to even try to question you on them. I'm not even the only one trying to get you to pin yourself down a bit here. Maybe now that I've laid it out all in one place, you want to do something better than just plugging your ears and singing at the top of your lungs?

You make it sound like you've actually refuted those. You haven't.

Let's take the first one - 'they are killing us' where I specified that it was being done in Afghanistan. You might have missed my rhetorical question of maybe it was time to go home; most would see that as clearly implying that I believe that would be a good idea. I think that is something that we agree upon, but you blew right past that to get to your usual hysterical rantings which would be this -

That's not "us" they're killing. That's mercenaries-for-hire. At best, "our" mercenaries, but still... mercenaries get paid to get killed. That's part of the job they sought out.

So here's an example of someone who you believe is not "us"-



I don't know, he looks kind of like us. Let's check his eulogy -

Infantryman Jon Townsend, age 19, of Claremore, Oklahoma, died on September 16, 2012, in Zabul Province, Afghanistan. He died of enemy small arms fire.

Jon was based at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Tacoma, Washington.

Jon graduated from Sequoyah High School in Claremore in 2011 and joined the military days later. High school officials describe him as a good kid and a good student who was popular.

Family members said that Jon had a love of music, God and his family. He was honored to serve his country in the military.

Jon is also described as friendly, affectionate and outgoing.

Jesus, pray for Jon

His mother said: "He's my baby; I will forever miss him."

Jon is survived by many loving friends and relatives including his mother, Katy Nelson; his sister Jennifer Tucker; and his wife, Brittany.

Pray for Jon's mother, who has lost her young son. Pray for Brittany who is a widow at age 18.

God help us all.

Pray for the 19 year olds who die in combat. They barely had a chance at life. Yesterday, they were just boys.

Let us pray that Jon Townsend is in heaven. Let us pray that he is at peace and is with God. Amen.

Gee, sure sounds like one of us.

You know, I can understand railing against government policy makers, foreign policies, pols and even top military brass, I've certainly done my share of that. You can grieve for those we've lost, even talk about how it was in vain. But to shit on the typical guy who dons a uniform and goes overseas to fight for his country that is a whole different thing. I thought the country learned that a long time ago; apparently some haven't.

You see, you haven't refuted anything. What you have done is shown that you are not only the biggest asshole on this forum but a gutless wonder hiding behind a nation that you hate.

You're less a man than Romney with his writing off 47%. You're telling us that men and women that protect your cozy little insignificant life, including the many that have died doing so, are not Americans. You hate this nation and yet when the big bad world kicked your butt, you came running back to it with your tail tuck between your legs. You're a pathetic little worm. No wonder you live in your magic pony world, no one else would have you.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

You seem to have missed the point. The 4 polls at the top are recent. The rest all include some portion of Democratic convention. Obama had a bounce, and it has receded. Also, the Fox poll has often been more favorable to Obama than other polls. Gallup and Rasmussen have been the most favorable to Romney.

JPT, you remain clueless at the train that's barreling down on you right now.

This is Bill Krystol, frickin Bill Krystol, one of the most conservative pundits, widely followed in the United States -

It’s worth recalling that a good chunk of the 47 percent who don’t pay income taxes are Romney supporters—especially of course seniors (who might well “believe they are entitled to heath care,” a position Romney agrees with), as well as many lower-income Americans (including men and women serving in the military) who think conservative policies are better for the country even if they’re not getting a tax cut under the Romney plan. So Romney seems to have contempt not just for the Democrats who oppose him, but for tens of millions who intend to vote for him.

The political ads using this are still just on the drawing boards. Imagine these in Florida or any enclave of retirees, military personnel, those that might have voted for Romney.

It's over.

Originally Posted by Exile 67'

Doesn't the same rule/standard apply to them as well? Does the Muslim world keep its acts of terrorizism to itself or does/has it used acts of terrorizism abroad as well. I assume you're familiar with the idea of getting even and the action of evening up or settling scores.

Sure. That's why some of the Muslim world works very hard to settle the score with us. But again, we must investigate the reasoning. We kill them because "we're number 1!" and feel entitled or we kill them because they have something we need. They kill us because we kill them or because we take without asking. Killing being the dirty, nasty, serious business that it is don't you kinda think that, should we choose to kill, it should at least be for the right reasons? Do our reasons sound like the right reasons?

Originally Posted by The Rani

Hey Romney was right about the 47%!

You missed my earlier post where I pointed out that this is where Romney went off the deep end. He actually believed the WSJ meme that the 47% who don't pay federal income taxes are the 47% Dem base. Numb skull!

At least 1/2 of those not paying any federal income taxes bleed GOP red including old white retirees on Social Security and Medicare, the core of his base. I don't think they're going to like being called moochers.

If you're having a hard time figuring this out picture going over to the house of the Director of the Humane Farming Association and finding that veal is on the menu, fresh because you all are going to kill and butcher the calf right there. Got it?

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

I live in VA. If Obama is up 8 points in VA, I'm Santa Claus. He won it by 2 points in 2008.

Barack H. Obama Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Democratic 1,959,532 52.63% 13
John S. McCain, III Sarah Palin Republican 1,725,005 46.33% 0

Let's see... 52.63% less 46.33% is... forgive me if my basic arithmetic is rusty since I haven't taken any basic arithmetic for nearly fifty years...

is 6.30%. Santa, would you please leave me a pair of round-trip tickets to London and a voucher for a hotel stay? That's London, England, of course. I've been a very good boy this year, doing mostly what I hate on behalf of some elderly parents who wouldn't live anywhere but some dreary hick town for which they are exceedingly sentimental yet turns me cold. I would like again to believe that life has some joy and enlightenment available.

Since then, the state has elected a Republican governor (more conservative than Romney) with over 60% of the vote, and the Democrats have generally been wiped out up and down the ballot throughout the state.

Virginia typically alternates between Democratic and Republican governors. As for it going unusually far to the right, it went like most of America for the Tea Party cult which now dutifully serves rapacious plutocrats who believe that no human suffering is excessive if it results in a profit or the reduction of taxes.

What's more, the likely voters in this poll are more favorable to Obama than the registered voters. That never happens. Simply put, the poll is less valuable than toilet paper. At least toilet paper has a use.

The relevant conclusion of the poll is that the Washington Post has completely lost its mind.

Because the Millennial Generation is much more liberal-leaning than America as a whole and a 'likely voters' poll skews elderly and conservative the poll might be an understatement of probable results in the November election. Note well that

(1) Barack Obama has caught up with Mitt Romney on the one supposed strength of Mitt Romney,
(2) Romney has made a fool of himself on foreign policy, and
(3) Congress -- especially the R majority in the House -- is wildly unpopular.

Late-stage collapses are always possible late in campaign season, and as a charmless technocrat with no warmth and little eloquence, Mitt Romney is especially vulnerable to such a collapse. Maybe that poll shows a Romney collapse underway.

Your ignorance shocks me, Santa Claus. If you are Santa Claus, then you do not live in Virginia.

Economy class will be adequate, and I do not need a four-star hotel. I can rough it some. The word "luxury" does not excite me. Maybe my Swiss Mennonite heritage (yes, some of them lived in the Shenandoah Valley... and left Virginia before they had the dubious opportunity to die defending slavery).

Originally Posted by Copperfield

Sure. That's why some of the Muslim world works very hard to settle the score with us. But again, we must investigate the reasoning. We kill them because "we're number 1!" and feel entitled or we kill them because they have something we need. They kill us because we kill them or because we take without asking. Killing being the dirty, nasty, serious business that it is don't you kinda think that, should we choose to kill, it should at least be for the right reasons? Do our reasons sound like the right reasons?

What have we taken from them in your mind? We didn't take their oil (they still own it and sell it to us and others) or their religion (we allow it here and respect it and allow it over there) or their homes (they still own them) or their land (they still own that too). I assume you're familiar with "gunning for number 1". Well, we're No.1 and they've been gunning for No.1 (blowing up American stuff and killing Americans) for decades. Do you think I should give two shits about Middle East Muslims, Muslim extremists leaders and Muslim lives in the Middle East based on what I've experienced (Muslim related terrorizism) during my lifetime? Is killing Muslims for destroying American property, threatening American ships and planes or killing Americans largely considered KILLING FOR THE WRONG REASON in America? Is killing a murderer wrong in your opinion? Does the murderer have to be killing you in order for you to believe and accept that killing is right or you'd be killing for the right reason?

Originally Posted by playwrite

You missed my earlier post where I pointed out that this is where Romney went off the deep end. He actually believed the WSJ meme that the 47% who don't pay federal income taxes are the 47% Dem base. Numb skull!

At least 1/2 of those not paying any federal income taxes bleed GOP red including old white retirees on Social Security and Medicare, the core of his base. I don't think they're going to like being called moochers.

If you're having a hard time figuring this out picture going over to the house of the Director of the Humane Farming Association and finding that veal is on the menu, fresh because you all are going to kill and butcher the calf right there. Got it?

I think his comments are going to piss off the Democrat supporters more than the Republicans and the election is going to be decided by taxpayers who pay federal income tax and unemployed workers who aren't emotionally attached or dedicated to either party.

Originally Posted by playwrite

Hey, you're not too far from Jacksonville. Why not cruise up there and visit a bar near Blount Is. to try your analysis out.

That's pretty funny. You can see Blount Is. from the bluff up the road from where I grew up.

Several of my friends from the neighborhood went on to join the military. They tend toward Ron Paul & Gary Johnson. None of them is as immature, as you seem to imagine, as to start a physical fight over political opinions.

For someone who talks so much shit, you really have no clue how the world works. That is how your generation will be remembered.

Originally Posted by Exile 67'

Is killing a murderer wrong in your opinion? Does the murderer have to be killing you in order for you to believe and accept that killing is right or you'd be killing for the right reason?

Is that five year old Muslim kid a murderer waiting to happen? Collatoral damage? How many innocents can you kill to justify tagging one murderer waiting to happen? Do you believe there is such a thing as an innocent Middle Easterner? Do you believe they have families who consider themselves honor-bound to avenge their senseless deaths?

Originally Posted by JohnMc82

Is that five year old Muslim kid a murderer waiting to happen? Collatoral damage? How many innocents can you kill to justify tagging one murderer waiting to happen? Do you believe there is such a thing as an innocent Middle Easterner? Do you believe they have honorable families, who would die to avenge their senseless deaths?

Who puts their childrens lives in harms way? Osama and his greater wisdom and sense of understanding should have taken the lives of innocent Muslims and their children into account before attacking America abroad and at home and in Iraq and Afganistan. Saddam and Momar should've done the same thing as well. We don't own or control the Middle East. Middle Easterner radicals and Middle Eastern regimes control the Middle East. I'm not calling for the complete elimination of the people of the Middle East. However, if it ever happens, I'm not going to cry about it or feel guilty about it or celebrate their complete elimination.

Originally Posted by playwrite

JPT, you remain clueless at the train that's barreling down on you right now.

There is no train barreling down on me. On Romney maybe, if you're right, but I think you're out of it.

This is Bill Krystol, frickin Bill Krystol, one of the most conservative pundits, widely followed in the United States -

The media doesn't tell people how to think anymore. The "conventional wisdom" of the Beltway is what it is. I think the people are through listening to it.

The political ads using this are still just on the drawing boards. Imagine these in Florida or any enclave of retirees, military personnel, those that might have voted for Romney.

I can imagine the ads, for sure. I also know that most people ignore them at this point, because the slander flies so fast and thick there's no point taking it seriously. The media keeps trying to manufacture controversies, while shoving the real news under the rug, because it's horrible for Obama. We'll see how effective they are this time around. I think they're flailing at the wind.

It's over.

Good then, you can stop talking, right?

Originally Posted by Exile 67'

Who puts their childrens lives in harms way? Osama and his greater wisdom and sense of understanding should have taken the lives of innocent Muslims and their children into account before attacking America abroad and at home and in Iraq and Afganistan. Saddam and Momar should've done the same thing as well.

Well, I think we can live up to a higher standard than Saddam and Momar. I don't want us to accept fighting at that low level. Besides, you get better aim from the high road.

We don't own or control the Middle East. Middle Easterner radicals and Middle Eastern regimes control the Middle East. I'm not calling for the complete elimination of the people of the Middle East. However, if it ever happens, I'm not going to cry about it or feel guilty about it or celebrate their complete elimination.

We've been over there, overthrowing governments we don't like and paying off the ones we do like. We take a heavy hand to those who defy us, and turn a blind eye to the crimes of those who feign support. We've used every means available - diplomatic, economic, and militaristic - to influence the region, and we're not liking the result.

If the medicine turned out to be poison, would you double the dose in hopes it starts working?

Boy, Romney really spelled out the Republican trickle-down ideology for us in that Mother Jones video, didn't he? I just hope the polls reflect it. Boy I tell ya, those Republicans are all johnny-one-notes! To hear them tell it, you'd think we ALL should have been born in log cabins that we made ourselves! I don't want MY tax money going to the 47% that think they are victims, no sirreee!! I don't care about them; only the 1% who create all the jobs!

And just as we once moved beyond monarchy, put aside slavery, and defeated racism, fascism and totalitarianism, it will soon be time to put behind us the ancient trickle-down ideology, and realize that a society needs to function on the principle of all being in it together, and everyone doing their part. That will be the challenge of this 4T: to put the Republican ideology out to pasture once and for all, so that the British economists, McKinley, Coolidge and Reagan don't keep coming back again and again to hold up progress toward a just and fair society, and we can more forward. Will it take as much blood as the previous ideologies did to contain and put behind us? Will the reactionary element of our society hold on to trickle-down as tightly and fiercely as they once did to slavery? We'll see, I guess.

Perhaps there is an alternation between crises, one to advance us to a new level, and the next to preserve that advance against those who would take us back down to the old level. King William's War preserved the advance toward parliamentary government, which perhaps you could say preserved also the humanist ideals of the Renaissance. The Civil War, as Lincoln said, assured that government by the people, achieved in the Revolution, would not perish from the Earth, but instead be extended to more people in a new birth of freedom. And now today we face the challenge of preserving the advances made in the New Deal. There is much more going on than this, but maybe the alternating saeculum rhythm is making itself felt in this way.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

...a just and fair society, and we can more forward.

Whose definition of just and fair society are we using, Eric?

If yours, then I may choose not to participate.

If determined by a majority/plurality of the U.S. Electorate(you know what I mean), then I suspect you believe that Coolidge and Reagan were un-just and un-fair. Or were they someone else's version of just and fair?

It seems to me that you have your version of just and fair and there's nothing more to be said on the topic.
If so, I would say that getting rid of that type of uncompromising thinking is exactly what might be productive
for us(ie: The USA), moving forward.


Prince

PS: So Eric, how do you like them apples?

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Boy, Romney really spelled out the Republican trickle-down ideology for us in that Mother Jones video, didn't he? I just hope the polls reflect it. Boy I tell ya, those Republicans are all johnny-one-notes! To hear them tell it, you'd think we ALL should have been born in log cabins that we made ourselves! I don't want MY tax money going to the 47% that think they are victims, no sirreee!! I don't care about them; only the 1% who create all the jobs!

And just as we once moved beyond monarchy, put aside slavery, and defeated racism, fascism and totalitarianism, it will soon be time to put behind us the ancient trickle-down ideology, and realize that a society needs to function on the principle of all being in it together, and everyone doing their part. That will be the challenge of this 4T: to put the Republican ideology out to pasture once and for all, so that the British economists, McKinley, Coolidge and Reagan don't keep coming back again and again to hold up progress toward a just and fair society, and we can more forward. Will it take as much blood as the previous ideologies did to contain and put behind us? Will the reactionary element of our society hold on to trickle-down as tightly and fiercely as they once did to slavery? We'll see, I guess.

Perhaps there is an alternation between crises, one to advance us to a new level, and the next to preserve that advance against those who would take us back down to the old level. King William's War preserved the advance toward parliamentary government, which perhaps you could say preserved also the humanist ideals of the Renaissance. The Civil War, as Lincoln said, assured that government by the people, achieved in the Revolution, would not perish from the Earth, but instead be extended to more people in a new birth of freedom. And now today we face the challenge of preserving the advances made in the New Deal. There is much more going on than this, but maybe the alternating saeculum rhythm is making itself felt in this way.

What is it about us that turns a blind eye to the part our side has played in the destruction of the New Deal?

Bill Clinton’s Legacy of Denial

Posted on Jun 21, 2011By Robert Scheer



Does Bill Clinton still not grasp that the current economic crisis is in large measure his legacy? Obviously that’s the case, or he wouldn’t have had the temerity to write a 14-point memo for Newsweek on how to fix the economy that never once refers to the home mortgage collapse and other manifestations of Wall Street greed that he enabled as president.


Endorsing the Republican agenda of financial industry deregulation, reversing New Deal safeguards, President Clinton pursued policies that in the long run created more damage to the American economy than any other president since Herbert Hoover, whose tenure is linked to the Great Depression. Now, in his Newsweek piece, Clinton has the effrontery to once again revive his 1992 campaign mantra, “It’s the economy, stupid,” as the article’s title without any sense of irony, let alone accountability. But that has always been the man’s special gift—to rise above, and indeed benefit from, the messes he created.


His list of safe nostrums—painting tar-surface roofs white and seeking more efficient solar and battery production—to be featured at his lavishly funded Clinton Global Initiative conference in Chicago next week is vintage Clinton hype. All of those solutions are of the win/win sort that he loved to ballyhoo as president; who in his or her right mind would be against green job creation? But that hardly speaks to a crisis in which, as was reported Tuesday, the housing meltdown continues unabated as the toxic mortgages sold and packaged by the leading banks and investment houses clog the real estate market, destroying consumer confidence and hobbling job creation.
Conceding that the bailed-out banks are sitting on $2 trillion that they won’t lend, Clinton offers not a word about mortgage relief for swindled homeowners. With an all-time high of 44 million Americans living below the poverty line, Clinton once again brags of his success in ending the federal welfare program.


There is only a one-sentence reference in the Clinton article to the era of financial greed: “The real thing that has killed us in the last 10 years is that too much of our dealmaking creativity has been devoted to expanding the financial sector in ways that don’t create new businesses and more jobs and to persuading people to take on excessive debt loads to make up for the fact that their incomes are stagnant.” Now that’s a clear description of the consequence of President Clinton’s policy of radical deregulation of the financial industry, but he writes as if that outcome has nothing to do with him.


Clinton signed off on the reversal of the Glass-Steagall Act, the legislative jewel of the Franklin Roosevelt administration designed to prevent financial institutions from getting too big to fail. In signing the Financial Services Modernization Act, which broke down the barrier between high-rolling Wall Street investment firms and consumer banks carrying the deposits of ordinary folk, Clinton gushed in 1999, “Over the [past] seven years we have tried to modernize the economy. … And today what we are doing is modernizing the financial services industry, tearing down those antiquated laws and granting banks significant new authority.”


MORE: http://www.truthdig.com/report/print...nial_20110621/

Originally Posted by The Rani

No doubt. I skip past most of your posts.
P.S. I was joking. Should have added an <EYE-ROLL>

Okay, cool. But please try to get the eye roll right.



It's like this - : rolleyes : but without the spaces

The world cannot have too many eyerolls, but they need to be done correctly.