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Post#10176 at 09-27-2012 06:24 PM by Aramea [at joined Jan 2011 #posts 743]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
I disagree. I think the Boomers have injected a massive strain of unreality into American society from top to bottom, which is the cause of all the seeming division in the country. Reality is making itself heard, and it has been for 11 years. The Boomer world view is being exposed for the fiction that it is. It took decades for that mindset to become ingrained. How long it takes for our mindset to align with reality will determine how much louder reality has to get before we do. Internal divisions and superficial Boomer conflicts will be erased by economic ruin and foreign hostility. It's just a question of how much, and for how long.

America is like an alcoholic that is hitting rock bottom, but still doesn't want to admit it. If Obama wins it'll be four more years of drunkenness, but the kind where it's 2 A.M. and you're hanging onto the toilet for dear life.
Yea, but if Romney wins he will shove your head right in the toilet. Do remember to flush ...







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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
I had been making a test run of responding to some people I had on ignore. With only a couple of exceptions, there has been no improvement, so that experiment is over. This thread, and this forum more generally, presents proof positive that Boomers, entering old age, are more childish and immature than Xers and Millenials.
Translation: all the people that used to disagree with me and fail to see the manifest truth of the things that I believe without any evidence whatsoever because, well, just because they're TRUE, God told me so, are still behaving exactly the same way as before, and so I'm going to shut my ears again and enter my alternate reality once more without further interruption.
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
If I act like anything other than an Xer, I act like a GI. You just don't get it.
I knew GIs. I grew up with GIs. My uncles and aunts were GIs. JPT, you are no GI.

You do act remarkably like a Boomer. That's a widespread observation.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
We need an Xer prez.
Barry-O doesn't count.
Aside from the fact that he's obviously a cusper (which you are, too, by the way), why doesn't he count? What characteristics would you expect a real Xer prez to have?
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Post#10180 at 09-27-2012 06:51 PM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
I disagree. I think the Boomers have injected a massive strain of unreality into American society from top to bottom, which is the cause of all the seeming division in the country. Reality is making itself heard, and it has been for 11 years. The Boomer world view is being exposed for the fiction that it is. It took decades for that mindset to become ingrained. How long it takes for our mindset to align with reality will determine how much louder reality has to get before we do. Internal divisions and superficial Boomer conflicts will be erased by economic ruin and foreign hostility. It's just a question of how much, and for how long.

America is like an alcoholic that is hitting rock bottom, but still doesn't want to admit it. If Obama wins it'll be four more years of drunkenness, but the kind where it's 2 A.M. and you're hanging onto the toilet for dear life.
I disagree. We are heading for a split of some sort.







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In fact it's looking like this is going to be the end of Republican craziness. Obama is going to win easily and suddenly the Democrats have a real chance of taking the House. Bachmann is in serious trouble. 2010 made the Republicans overconfident--so much so that they are running a vp candidate openly opposed to Medicare and Social Security. They will pay a huge price, and all the demographic trends are against them as well. The handwringing this winter will be the worst since 1964. . .I don't know that Obama is going to be able to accomplish that much, but at least the dream of a Randian dystopia will be dead.







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Quote Originally Posted by Aramea View Post
Yea, Tomasky finally answered the question of why Romney isn't doing as well given the state of the economy, etc. People just don't like Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney is not likable. He laughs like he just swallowed some local food that tastes like crap but he has to like it to win favor. He doesn't like the job and it shows. People are starting to realize that they don't want to listen/look at him for four years.
Why isn't Mr. Popular/America's idol doing all that great either?







Post#10183 at 09-27-2012 07:24 PM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
In fact it's looking like this is going to be the end of Republican craziness. Obama is going to win easily and suddenly the Democrats have a real chance of taking the House. Bachmann is in serious trouble. 2010 made the Republicans overconfident--so much so that they are running a vp candidate openly opposed to Medicare and Social Security. They will pay a huge price, and all the demographic trends are against them as well. The handwringing this winter will be the worst since 1964. . .I don't know that Obama is going to be able to accomplish that much, but at least the dream of a Randian dystopia will be dead.
Well, if the loony lib/Demcrat craziness doesn't come to end then Randian will become the social norm.







Post#10184 at 09-27-2012 08:45 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
You can have all the prom kings and Mr. Popularities and I'll accept all the effectively successful a-holes.
OK, you can have Romney and the Donald. Any other jerks suit your fancy?
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Post#10185 at 09-27-2012 08:53 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
We need an Xer prez.
Why? Or more important who?
Quote Originally Posted by The Rani ...
Barry-O doesn't count.
True enough. He has Jones stamped on his forehead, and Silent stamped in his heart.
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Post#10186 at 09-27-2012 08:59 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rush View Post
I knew GIs. I grew up with GIs. My uncles and aunts were GIs. JPT, you are no GI.

You do act remarkably like a Boomer. That's a widespread observation.
I have to agree with this. My parents were GIs. My age-mates are Boomers, as am I. You could be another Marc Lamb, '56 cohort.
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Post#10187 at 09-27-2012 09:05 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
In fact it's looking like this is going to be the end of Republican craziness. Obama is going to win easily and suddenly the Democrats have a real chance of taking the House. Bachmann is in serious trouble. 2010 made the Republicans overconfident--so much so that they are running a vp candidate openly opposed to Medicare and Social Security. They will pay a huge price, and all the demographic trends are against them as well. The handwringing this winter will be the worst since 1964. . .I don't know that Obama is going to be able to accomplish that much, but at least the dream of a Randian dystopia will be dead.
I tend to agree that this is turning into a rout due entirely to the arrogance and hubris of the GOP. Obama is getting a free ride here. I hope he knows that, though I'm not sure he does. So, 2008 could be the pivotal election after all, and no one is more surprised by that than me.
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Post#10188 at 09-27-2012 09:10 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
*Shakes head sadly*
Take a look at these and see if you can figure out the problem with your question:
I'm sure you find nihilistic claptrap a good basis for a system of government, but count me out.
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Post#10189 at 09-27-2012 09:43 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
I have to agree with this. My parents were GIs. My age-mates are Boomers, as am I. You could be another Marc Lamb, '56 cohort.
I disagree with the classification of both Boomer and GI for JPT. If he is not acting as an Xer (which I believe he quite is), then I would say he acts more like a Lost than any other generation. Except he seemingly has no Little Orphan Annie Greatest cusper to melt his Warbucksian heart. Who knows though, he might just find one... tomorrow! (Hint: Boomers, find a 2000s cohort orphan that needs a home and find some way to indoctrinate her and get JPT to adopt her)

I guess that just about does it for this little satyr play.

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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
I disagree. I think the Boomers have injected a massive strain of unreality into American society from top to bottom, which is the cause of all the seeming division in the country. Reality is making itself heard, and it has been for 11 years. The Boomer world view is being exposed for the fiction that it is. It took decades for that mindset to become ingrained. How long it takes for our mindset to align with reality will determine how much louder reality has to get before we do. Internal divisions and superficial Boomer conflicts will be erased by economic ruin and foreign hostility. It's just a question of how much, and for how long.

America is like an alcoholic that is hitting rock bottom, but still doesn't want to admit it. If Obama wins it'll be four more years of drunkenness, but the kind where it's 2 A.M. and you're hanging onto the toilet for dear life.
What you are incapable of grasping is that it was the Boomer Right that played along with, if not infused, the Reagan-Thatcher conservative movement that brought us the 3T that inevitable led to the 4T financial meltdown. What you are railing against in Boomerish is something that completely runs your worldview to a point where you outdo just about any of your brethren who just happen to be Boomers.

What's funny is your complete lack of self awareness.

More funny still is that lack of awareness is why you will be increasingly confused by the world that is passing on further taking the crap you all want to continue to dish up.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
We need an Xer prez.
Barry-O doesn't count.
Yea, like an extra hole in the head.
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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
In fact it's looking like this is going to be the end of Republican craziness. Obama is going to win easily and suddenly the Democrats have a real chance of taking the House. Bachmann is in serious trouble. 2010 made the Republicans overconfident--so much so that they are running a vp candidate openly opposed to Medicare and Social Security. They will pay a huge price, and all the demographic trends are against them as well. The handwringing this winter will be the worst since 1964. . .I don't know that Obama is going to be able to accomplish that much, but at least the dream of a Randian dystopia will be dead.
... and I can't think of a better accomplishment - it will open doors to bigger and better things like the realization that coordinated/cooperative efforts are at least as important for a vibrant society as individual effort. At the heart of it, that was what was truly lost by the 3T (govt is the problem) conservative moment.

I wouldn't mind also comprehensive immigration fix that would seal the deal of a waning GOP. I think that is a real possibility in Obama's second term.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
This entire election is nihilistic claptrap.
Maybe from your cozy little world.

Romney is Netan-ya-hoo's b*tch. In less than 6 months after Mittens is elected, we'll be an war with Iran with 9/11 being made a footnote.

If you think there's no difference with Obama, you need to watch Samuel Jackson's new video and WTF up.
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
I disagree. I think the Boomers have injected a massive strain of unreality into American society from top to bottom, which is the cause of all the seeming division in the country. Reality is making itself heard, and it has been for 11 years. The Boomer world view is being exposed for the fiction that it is. It took decades for that mindset to become ingrained. How long it takes for our mindset to align with reality will determine how much louder reality has to get before we do. Internal divisions and superficial Boomer conflicts will be erased by economic ruin and foreign hostility. It's just a question of how much, and for how long.
Howe and Strauss found the ruthlessness, selfishness, and arrogance in the elites of Idealist generations dangerous before Boomers were fully entrenched in power. To be sure, non-elites might not get away with the elite vices of ruthlessness, selfishness, and arrogance that the elites get away with because military service and servile jobs in the private sector make humility, patience, and restraint necessary qualities of survival. Every generation will have those who live in constant subordination to harsh bosses; such people rarely become leaders. But people who have never endured the fear of hunger or the lash think differently from those who have.

There was never an easier war to avoid than the War in Vietnam. If one enlisted one might get the choice to stay in Europe in preparation for a Soviet invasion that never happened... but when one wasn't in military training or exercises one could enjoy an enforced vacation in places like Munich or Naples, complete with European wines and beers. Elites could stay stateside, and those with the right sort of education could get a 'necessary' job that kept one classified as exempt from the draft. Think of the "Champagne Squadron" of which the young George W. Bush was in. Youth from the ghettos, the barrios, and the boondocks got to wage war in Vietnam and take the casualties -- and get little for their service. Military service during WWII was a near-necessity for budding politicians of a certain age; wartime service in Vietnam was a detriment for a political career in the 1970s and onward.

Few people can deny that arrogance, ruthlessness, and selfishness make a great peril when associated with political power. At best such people fail to know the potential for failure. At worst they overreach so that they can achieve their delusions of grandeur. Others get to die for the profits of warmongers and the glory of the leaders. Just think or World War I.

America is like an alcoholic that is hitting rock bottom, but still doesn't want to admit it. If Obama wins it'll be four more years of drunkenness, but the kind where it's 2 A.M. and you're hanging onto the toilet for dear life.
America has become much more sober, so to speak, and has lowered its expectations of any quick fixes to the economy. Not that Mitt Romney is a drinker -- but under him we could find that there are lower points that we can quickly reach.
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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
In fact it's looking like this is going to be the end of Republican craziness. Obama is going to win easily and suddenly the Democrats have a real chance of taking the House. Bachmann is in serious trouble. 2010 made the Republicans overconfident--so much so that they are running a vp candidate openly opposed to Medicare and Social Security. They will pay a huge price, and all the demographic trends are against them as well. The handwringing this winter will be the worst since 1964. . .I don't know that Obama is going to be able to accomplish that much, but at least the dream of a Randian dystopia will be dead.
...And that is the Regeneracy. This is when we repudiate the degenerate behavior of the early part of the Double-Zero decade and its attempted revival. Surely you have seen his speech at the Democratic Convention... when he faces no prospect of an immature and rigid opposition. Sure, he said that he might be able to compromise with Republican majorities in one or both Houses of Congress but he said so in such a way as to make that prospect unpalatable.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
Well, if the loony lib/Demcrat craziness doesn't come to end then Randian will become the social norm.
Take Michelle Bonkers, "Rash Libel", Glenn Dreck, and Anne Coulter with you. Please!
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
If I act like anything other than an Xer, I act like a GI. You just don't get it.
I had two GI grandparents, several GI aunts and uncles, and GI teachers from first grade through college. You are no GI. Like X as its worst you have the Boom arrogance without the introspection or culture. Your learning is at best superficial.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Agreed on this account. That is the role of Elderhood in general. FDR in his first two terms were indeed surrounded by Missionaries. His last two terms found him surrounded by Losts--and its usually the second two terms that have been seen as the most lasting of FDR's presidency.

~Chas'88
The second "2 terms" were only 4 years and 3 months, and it was only about the war. It was the New Deal that was FDR's lasting legacy. No, "elders" are not in old age; and boomers are younger than folks were at their age in the last saeculum. 70s is not necessarily old anymore; 70 is the new 40.

The role of elders is leaders. There is no particular age-related place for "vision and moral support." Advisors come in all ages. Prophets are the leaders; nomads are the managers. But that doesn't necessarily mean boomers will be the leaders; it depends on the quality of the left (blue) boomers who are able and willing to step forward, whether or not their role in the 4T will be leaders that move our country forward. The question is not whether elders are the leaders in a 4T; the question is whether the boomers will fulfill their role or not. Are we the generation we thought we were in youth, or are we the generation that Xers think we are now?
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
70s is not necessarily old anymore; 70 is the new 40.
Sure, you'll live forever... right after the Silents are done doing so... whatever...
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Apparently this song must be stuck on repeat around here...



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