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Romney showed tonight that he is clearly ready to be President, despite PBrowers protestations to the contrary. He had command of the issues and took it to Obama who was weak without his willing media allies and teleprompter to bail him out. Obama looked like a little nancyboy up there staring down at the floor and looking to Jim Lehrer for help. Romney did himself a huge favor tonight and this will tighten those already tightening polls and win over some undecided....I have been perusing the tv stations for reactions and even the clowns on MSLSD like Special Ed Schultz are admitting that Obama got tore apart....
Bottom line-Romney looked well informed, compassionate, strong and very Presidential.....
Mitt Romney is a stone-cold liar and cannot be trusted with the presidency.
Wow, Mr. Etch-a-Sketch
hits it out of the park with his magic ponies!!
$5T in tax cuts for the rich and $2T in unneeded defense spending completely paid for by closing tax loop holes that don't exist!
And wow, it's going to cut the deficit without any impact on old people or anything else but Big Bird!
And nobody is going to lose any health insurance, pre-conditions not a problem, and it will all be paid for by magic ponies pooping gold nuggets.
This was a debate for people who want to believe in magic ponies and don't have the intellectual capacity to question Mr. Etch-a-sketch drawing those ponies out of thin air.
What was missing from this debate was Obama simply responding to the obvious -
Mitt Romney is a liar. He will say anything, do anything and draw magic ponies on his etch-a-sketch to get elected. He actually threw his party's platform under the bus tonight. It will be noticed - eventually - I say within the next 24 hours.
Maybe it was Obama being presidential by nature or by design or just his utter disbelief in finally facing Mr. Etch-a-Sketch. Whether he sand bagged Romney on purpose or not, there is now a treasure trove of Romney stated bullshit that can now be directly compared to what he has said before and what are just basic facts if not just basic arithmetic.
Sure, the talking heads scored this one for the Etch-a-Sketch in the immediate aftermath, but lets see how it plays over the next 48 hours as Romney's lies are put to the test; certainly the stuff of some great campaign ads in the coming days.
My bet is in the coming days what will eventually evolve as THE story of the debate is this -
Let's see..."And at some point I think the American people have to ask themselves: Is the reason that Gov. Romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret, because they are too good?" Obama asked. "Is it because that somehow middle class families will benefit too much from them?
Last edited by playwrite; 10-04-2012 at 12:13 AM.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
President Obama played it excessively careful and Mitt Romney went for the jugular. Going for the jugular is one way to win at the least a round of an ultimate-fighting match.
Liars and ideologues can do well in a debate -- if they dominate the debate. Mitt Romney got the opportunity to deny some of the caricatures of his positions while President defended that we are not in a full-throttle economic boom. Those caricatures will be back. Mitt showed how he runs things -- my way or the highway even if he used the words in denying what he would do.
It is fortunate for President Obama that the baseball season is on its 162nd day but that much was settled tonight and much remains to be settled in baseball. So it isd in politics. The content of this debate
Mitt Romney has ably expressed the National Chamber of Commerce view of how the American economy is to be run -- profits first and profits only. The most powerful interests are to dictate how things are to be done, and ideally profits soar while wages lag, giant corporations wax fat while small-business competition is driven into oblivion, special interests set policies on everything. Romney offers trickle-down economics on steroids. He was good at it tonight -- very good.It is clear that Obama has nothing good to say about the economy of the last four years, and no new plans going forward. All he can talk about is how he wants to punish the rich and "spread the wealth". He said nothing about how or why the economy will improve if he's re-elected. If people want four more years like the last four, they can vote for Obama and they'll get it.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
It does seem that the overwhelming sentiment is that Romney won. Post-debate snap polls show that result, as do the focus groups on the various networks. The analysts are focusing on Obama's style, asking why he was so "subdued", etc. It's not complicated. The economy is in terrible condition. That is the #1 issue in the election. There is no other issue. He's been president for four years, and it has not improved. What is he supposed to say? He has nothing to say. He cannot defend his policies. All he can do is complain about rich people and taxes.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987
One thing that no one has mentioned yet is that Rmoney raised the age at which he wouldn't privatize Social Security to 60. Even Lil' Bush went with 55 in 2005.
It sounds to me as if they have their plan already written out and it will screw anyone born after 1953.
Starting to emerge already -
Essentially, he threw his own tax plan under the bus.At the first presidential debate in Colorado Wednesday night, former Gov. Mitt Romney disputed a central criticism of his tax reform plan — and appeared to disavow one of its central features.
Responding to President Obama’s description of Romney’s proposal, Romney claimed: “I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of the scale you’re talking about. I think we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I won’t reduce the share of tax paid by high-income people. … I’m not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce revenues going to the government. My number one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that no tax cut that will add to the deficit.”
So who’s right?
Romney has run for months on a plan to lower everyone’s tax rates by 20 percent — an amount that independent analysts have concluded will reduce revenues by $5 trillion over 10 years.
Romney has also insisted that his plan will be deficit neutral and that it won’t increase taxes on the middle class. But according to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center and other analysts, Romney won’t be able to make good on both of those latter promises.
According to TPC, even if Romney closes all loopholes and deductions for high-income earners, that alone will not account for all the revenue he loses because of the rate cut. Thus, to make the overall plan deficit neutral he’d have to raise the tax burden on middle income Americans.
Faced with this basic description, Romney said, “If the tax plan he described were a tax plan I was asked to support, I would say absolutely not.”
The Koch brothers are not going to be happy.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Nah, the Coke brothers won't care because a lie told in a debate or on the campaign trail doesn't matter if it wns the election.Starting to emerge already -
Essentially, he threw his own tax plan under the bus.
The Koch brothers are not going to be happy.
I recall in 1980 when Reagan said that he would repeal the draft registration. I knew that he was lying but a lot of the doofuses that I knew said "ywah" when they heard that.
Mr Etch-a-Sketch's magic pony
shits out of luck for those with pre-existing conditions -
Magic pony giddiness is already starting to wear off.After the first presidential debate at the University of Denver in Colorado on Wednesday night, one of Mitt Romney’s top advisers acknowledged that, as a result Romney’s plan to repeal Obamacare, people with pre-existing medical conditions would likely be unable to purchase insurance.
The admission directly contradicts the GOP candidate’s claim during the debate that “pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan” — a contention Romney has repeated on the trail and that his campaign has repeatedly walked back.
“With respect to pre-existing conditions, what Governor Romney has said is for those with continuous coverage, he would continue to make sure that they receive their coverage,” said Eric Fehrnstrom, referring to existing laws which require insurance companies to sell coverage to people who already have insurance, or within 90 days of losing their employer coverage.
Pressed by TPM’s Evan McMorris-Santoro, Fehrnstrom said those who currently lack coverage because they have pre-existing conditions would need their states to implement their own laws — like Romney’s own Massachusetts health care law — that ban insurance company from discriminating against sick people.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Yes, it really does come down to how many voters really believe in magic ponies that Romney and the Koch brothers are selling.
As evident on this forum, there's more than a few.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
So, because the tow truck driver hasn't been able to get the car out of the ditch fast enough, let's give the keys back to the drunken bastards that drove it into the ditch to begin with.
Oh wait, they're promising that if we let them do the exact same thing again, they won't actually drive us into the ditch this time. And gee, they're promising us all the magic ponies we want!
Oh, oh, I can't wait to get to the polls and get my magic pony!!!!
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
I 'd say about as many as those who believe in the magic ponies that people like you and Obama are selling.Yes, it really does come down to how many voters really believe in magic ponies that Romney and the Koch brothers are selling.
As evident on this forum, there's more than a few.
Just admit it, your guy got owned....His performance was pathetic. He looked dazed, confused, scared and generally uninterested at being there. Reminded me of Papa Bush in 92, looking at his watch. Im more amazed at the "mainstream" media even getting on board with the idea he got owned. Romney did what he had to do tonight, make himself an acceptable alternative. He did that. If he didnt the race would have effectively ended tonight...and so it goes.....
Care to name one? Or, you're just blowing it out your ass as usual?
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
It only appears that way to those who believe in magic ponies, and that pretty much sums you up.
Like I said, let's see how all that lying by Mr. Etch-a-Sketch plays out over the next 48 hours.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
You're banking on the blue magic ponies. Where's my free government stuff?
We've all seen Obama debate before, and we know he has it in him to be a phenomenal debater. So what would make this performance so lackluster? No mention of Bain, no mention of the 47%, barely skimmed Romney's many flip-flops. Let's try looking at this from a poker perspective. Do you play all your best hands early, when the stakes are low, or do you hold out and lose a few hands until the stakes are high and you've had time to read your opponent and let him believe he's got the upper hand? Keep in mind that McCain won the first debate in 2008, but nobody remembered that by the last debate.
'True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.' - Kurt Vonnegut
He's left plenty of material on the cutting-room floor that can be used against him. He has denied much of what he said earlier, but don't worry. The Obama campaign, civilized as it is, knows how to patch together his contradictions to show him a liar or a fool as well as an ideologue.
Did anyone expect Mitt to not try to repackage himself? If you have ever seen products with the label "Same great taste -- new look!" as if a change in the appearance of the packaging somehow improves the product.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Money grows on tree's and the size of the debt is meaningless and Obama is a great leader.
Last edited by Classic-X'er; 10-04-2012 at 12:56 AM.
This pretty much sums up the night. good luck with the "fact checker" angle.....
I distinctly remember the media declaring Obama the winner in all three debates, as well as the "snap" polls. The first debate is THE most important with the largest audience and the best chance for a challenger to introduce himself. Had Romney lost tonight he would have effectively lost the race. Tonight will have impact and give those who before the debate were elaning to Obama by default to look consider Romney.
You sure do give one person a lot of credit. I guess Congress just sits there and looks pretty. So if Mittens has to fix all that, are you guys willing to give him the same power you want to deny the current president?
This pretty much sums up the night. good luck with the "fact checker" angle.....
'True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.' - Kurt Vonnegut
The stakes are even and he should've played it that way. BTW, you play your best hands as they come. Tonight, Obama had no hands to play and the hands he tried to play were responded to as bluffs.
Last edited by Classic-X'er; 10-04-2012 at 01:20 AM.
It strikes me as....completely silly.
