Probably slightly more true, lol.Originally Posted by Chas'88
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Probably slightly more true, lol.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987
Yea, like wow, duddette, it would be so totally awesome if everyone was like so cool nihilist like you. You're just the bee's knees. Or is it the gnat's bollock? This whole rejection thingy of yours can be a little trying, but its like just so totally awesome.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
I live in a swing state and some undecided voters I know actually leaned Obama this go round. Republicans I know were quiet tonight, made typical cliche attacks or said they were going to write in a candidate.
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
Now I see why CNN is so glum. In the same poll that had a plurality saying Obama won the debate, Romney crushed him, over 50%, on who would best handle these issues: the economy, taxes, health care, the deficit. In other words, all of the issues that people rate as the most important in this election. On the economy, it was 58%.
So Obama got in a few punches in this night's boxing match...but if this is the result, he's not gonna win. We'll see what the polls look like in a few days, but I sense that the outcome is now clear. We'll see.
Last edited by JustPassingThrough; 10-17-2012 at 12:06 AM.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987
More CNN poll data:
"Did president Obama provide a clear plan for solving the country's problems?" 61% said no.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987
Let your friend know that when I'm off from helping to pay for those on social security through my taxes and plus through working tons of overtime (like my mom who truly needs her disability and my grandparents who worked their asses off their entire life) I'm happy to help him/her pack.
j.p.
"And did you get what you wanted from this life, even so? I did. And what did you want? To call myself beloved, to feel myself beloved on the earth." -- Raymond Carver
"A page of good prose remains invincible." -- John Cheever
I'm sure she'll appreciate it.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Playwrite, you're talking to an Xer, not a Lost. There's a difference between an Xer and someone who could've been your grandma.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
So what you have so far is one debate where Romney-Ryan won by a wide margin, and two debates where Obama-Biden won by narrow margins.
Unfortunately it doesn't sound bold for Obama to say it, but the fact is he did almost as much about the economy as he could have done, given the unprecedented determination of his opposition to uphold the status quo or deny him a second term by blocking everything he proposed. Romney can blithely talk about how the economy is still bad, but he is just reaping the rewards of the do-nothing congress and its strategy. If the American people let it work, and elect Romney because the congress blocked all action, what they will get will be much worse.Regardless of ideology, regardless of the "culture wars" or anything else, you can't re-elect Obama with the economy the way it is. For people who are not ideologues and partisans, I think that's going to be the overwhelming verdict.
Ayers never was a terrorist to begin with. That's just more right-wing propaganda.
I couldn't turn it off, in fact I watched it twice. But it's interesting; people here probably have me figured as pro-Obama and certainly anti-Romney. But I was referred to one of these on-line tests that matches your views with candidates. Usually Democrats score in the 60s% range and Republicans about 10-15% for me. This time my result was 56% Obama and 13% Romney. Obama was even weaker than usual. Graded like in school, both candidates would score an F. It's still a big difference, but it's a difference between bad and very very bad.
Here's the link. You have to "like" the page (facebook) to take the quiz, but you can "unlike" it after you take it.
https://www.facebook.com/ktvu/app_522082841138504
Last edited by Eric the Green; 10-17-2012 at 04:14 AM.
Romney kept on changing the subject and refused to give specifics, Obama gave specifics and called Romney out on his pathological lying.
The Weathermen never killed anyone and Ayers later renounced his role with them. a few bombs damaging property is not even close to being in the same league as killing people. It reminds me of how RWers put "eco-terroists" who bomb SUVs in car lots in the same league as AQ.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Bill Clinton upon hearing about Romney's binder full of women.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Really? I saw it as the other way around. Particularly when Romney was holding Obama's feet to the fire on Fast and Furious and on the terrorist attacks. Obama did do a much better job on the manufacturing jobs question.
'79 Xer, INTP
Quite premature -- understated to keep it polite.
I can't say who had a better night last night -- Barack Obama or Justin Verlander. I guess President Obama -- Justin Verlander is dating a niece of a Michigan Republican politician.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Obama did much better this time around, but it was still very close. Overall, I would probably give this one to Obama. They both spent too much time attacking the other guy rather than talking about their own plans, but Romney's attacks, this time around, just seemed slightly more desperate. Bringing up The Fast and Furious and the Terrorist scandals should have been easy wins for him, but he spent too much time dwelling on it and going back to it. Calling the other guy out on their lies is a tactic that works well in small doses, but it's very easy to go overboard and come off as desperate. Obama was guilty of this too, particularly when he ended the debate with the 47% rib, which everyone knows by now is a misinterpretation of what Romney actually meant when he said it in the first place. Both candidates look quite desperate right now. It's actually kind of amusing to watch, being that I have no horse in this race (at least between the two of them).
Last edited by Gianthogweed; 10-17-2012 at 09:27 AM.
'79 Xer, INTP
Cthulhu in 2012 - why settle for the lesser of two evils?I'm starting to see your point, Rani. When Romney said "we can do better"(or something like that), I certainly agree i/r/t President Obama, but also Gov. Romney to some degree. I'm still voting for Romney, but we have to have some better candidates out there than these guys.
I mean we have to, right? Right...? Right...?
Oh Sh*t!
Prince
PS:"Live Long and Prosper"
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."
"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.
I heard that... and that metaphor suggested that he had a catalog of 'exotic beauties' for 'discerning men', complete with biographies and photographs. Beautiful and sophisticated Russian women, submissive Filipina women... Sorry about the dirty mind, but I know most of the double-entendres.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
nope. the whole thing of romney telling a falsehood of what the president said the day after the attack, and being instantly fact-checked by a knowledgeable moderator.
loved how the president did that rope-a-dope: 'please proceed, governor.' and romney stepped right in the trap. the man is simply too gullible and full of himself to be trusted with the role of c-in-c.
some people do eventually grow up. folks did a lot of crazy shit in the sixties. doesn't mean that they can't redeem themselves later on.The tacky sig - i.e. calling liberals out on their bullshit? Because it's honest. I didn't put words into someone's mouth, it was what someone said - a terrorist being exonerated for being a terrorist because he's an Obama supporter. I like to post it as a signature as a reminder of blatant political hypocrisy. Bill Ayers no "longer" being a terrorist while working with Obama? Yeah, that's like saying Osama Bin Laden said "sorry" about the whole 9/11 thing and repented by supporting a political figure.
j.p.
but maybe so-called 'conservatives' only believe that 'certain people' are eligible for redemption and forgiveness.
tybalt,Please do expound on your comment i/r/t "the Libya thing".
Prince
PS: Pretty please?
see my response above.
Wait a minute, I thought that was how he met Monica? Don't all politicians just share this binder?Bill Clinton upon hearing about Romney's binder full of women.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
not only did he use awkward phrasing ('binders full of women'), but romney also lied that *he* initiated a search for qualified women to fill positions in his administration in massachusetts. see here.
Understanding the source of idiocy doesn't necessarily lead to condoning it.LOL! PW, you are so clueless when it comes to Generational Theory and Archetypal Characteristics. Have you ever even studied the generations?
Don't stop though. It's actually pretty funny(and much more interesting than a bunch of in-experienced/un-educated people discussing topics that they truly believe they have a handle on).
Prince
PS: BTW, what's your birth year?(if you don't mind telling). You've got to be a Boomer.
As an aside - have you tried to get out of the house this week? I'm telling you the cats will be okay for just a couple of hours.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Whoa now, if the nomads hand this over to Romney, I am going to renounce your generation faster than an apostle in Gethsemane. I thought you guys were skeptical and cynical, but this seems like contrarianism for its own sake.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
