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Post#10926 at 10-16-2012 11:54 PM by JustPassingThrough [at joined Dec 2006 #posts 5,196]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post

If I've learned one thing about politics from Facebook it's that the real issue at hand is that everyone [on the internet] is insane.

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Probably slightly more true, lol.
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Post#10927 at 10-16-2012 11:54 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I had to turn it off, for the same reason that I turned off the VP debate.
The fact that people get so worked up about supporting/opposing either of these guys blows my mind.
Yea, like wow, duddette, it would be so totally awesome if everyone was like so cool nihilist like you. You're just the bee's knees. Or is it the gnat's bollock? This whole rejection thingy of yours can be a little trying, but its like just so totally awesome.
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Post#10928 at 10-16-2012 11:57 PM by millennialX [at Gotham City, USA joined Oct 2010 #posts 6,597]
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I live in a swing state and some undecided voters I know actually leaned Obama this go round. Republicans I know were quiet tonight, made typical cliche attacks or said they were going to write in a candidate.
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Post#10929 at 10-16-2012 11:57 PM by JustPassingThrough [at joined Dec 2006 #posts 5,196]
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Now I see why CNN is so glum. In the same poll that had a plurality saying Obama won the debate, Romney crushed him, over 50%, on who would best handle these issues: the economy, taxes, health care, the deficit. In other words, all of the issues that people rate as the most important in this election. On the economy, it was 58%.

So Obama got in a few punches in this night's boxing match...but if this is the result, he's not gonna win. We'll see what the polls look like in a few days, but I sense that the outcome is now clear. We'll see.
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Post#10930 at 10-17-2012 12:04 AM by JustPassingThrough [at joined Dec 2006 #posts 5,196]
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More CNN poll data:

"Did president Obama provide a clear plan for solving the country's problems?" 61% said no.
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Post#10931 at 10-17-2012 12:05 AM by JDFP [at Knoxville, TN. joined Jul 2010 #posts 1,200]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
If Mitt Romney wins this election, I'm moving to Canada.



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Let your friend know that when I'm off from helping to pay for those on social security through my taxes and plus through working tons of overtime (like my mom who truly needs her disability and my grandparents who worked their asses off their entire life) I'm happy to help him/her pack.

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Post#10932 at 10-17-2012 12:13 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDFP View Post
Let your friend know that when I'm off from helping to pay for those on social security through my taxes and plus through working tons of overtime (like my mom who truly needs her disability and my grandparents who worked their asses off their entire life) I'm happy to help him/her pack.

j.p.
I'm sure she'll appreciate it.

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Post#10933 at 10-17-2012 01:16 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Yea, like wow, duddette, it would be so totally awesome if everyone was like so cool nihilist like you. You're just the bee's knees.
Playwrite, you're talking to an Xer, not a Lost. There's a difference between an Xer and someone who could've been your grandma.

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#10934 at 10-17-2012 03:12 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
The CNN post debate poll said "Obama won" 46%, "Romney won" 39%. Margin of error +/-4-5. In other words, a tie. Compared to the first debate, which was Romney 67-25.
So what you have so far is one debate where Romney-Ryan won by a wide margin, and two debates where Obama-Biden won by narrow margins.
Regardless of ideology, regardless of the "culture wars" or anything else, you can't re-elect Obama with the economy the way it is. For people who are not ideologues and partisans, I think that's going to be the overwhelming verdict.
Unfortunately it doesn't sound bold for Obama to say it, but the fact is he did almost as much about the economy as he could have done, given the unprecedented determination of his opposition to uphold the status quo or deny him a second term by blocking everything he proposed. Romney can blithely talk about how the economy is still bad, but he is just reaping the rewards of the do-nothing congress and its strategy. If the American people let it work, and elect Romney because the congress blocked all action, what they will get will be much worse.
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Post#10935 at 10-17-2012 03:15 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDFP View Post
Oh, you mean the whole thing of Obama and his staff blaming the Libyan thing on a youtube video?

The tacky sig - i.e. calling liberals out on their bullshit? Because it's honest. I didn't put words into someone's mouth, it was what someone said - a terrorist being exonerated for being a terrorist because he's an Obama supporter. I like to post it as a signature as a reminder of blatant political hypocrisy. Bill Ayers no "longer" being a terrorist while working with Obama? Yeah, that's like saying Osama Bin Laden said "sorry" about the whole 9/11 thing and repented by supporting a political figure.

j.p.
Ayers never was a terrorist to begin with. That's just more right-wing propaganda.
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Post#10936 at 10-17-2012 04:11 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I had to turn it off, for the same reason that I turned off the VP debate.
The fact that people get so worked up about supporting/opposing either of these guys blows my mind.
I couldn't turn it off, in fact I watched it twice. But it's interesting; people here probably have me figured as pro-Obama and certainly anti-Romney. But I was referred to one of these on-line tests that matches your views with candidates. Usually Democrats score in the 60s% range and Republicans about 10-15% for me. This time my result was 56% Obama and 13% Romney. Obama was even weaker than usual. Graded like in school, both candidates would score an F. It's still a big difference, but it's a difference between bad and very very bad.

Here's the link. You have to "like" the page (facebook) to take the quiz, but you can "unlike" it after you take it.

https://www.facebook.com/ktvu/app_522082841138504
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Post#10937 at 10-17-2012 08:27 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Romney kept on changing the subject and refused to give specifics, Obama gave specifics and called Romney out on his pathological lying.

Quote Originally Posted by JDFP View Post
Oh, you mean the whole thing of Obama and his staff blaming the Libyan thing on a youtube video?

The tacky sig - i.e. calling liberals out on their bullshit? Because it's honest. I didn't put words into someone's mouth, it was what someone said - a terrorist being exonerated for being a terrorist because he's an Obama supporter. I like to post it as a signature as a reminder of blatant political hypocrisy. Bill Ayers no "longer" being a terrorist while working with Obama? Yeah, that's like saying Osama Bin Laden said "sorry" about the whole 9/11 thing and repented by supporting a political figure.

j.p.
The Weathermen never killed anyone and Ayers later renounced his role with them. a few bombs damaging property is not even close to being in the same league as killing people. It reminds me of how RWers put "eco-terroists" who bomb SUVs in car lots in the same league as AQ.
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Bill Clinton upon hearing about Romney's binder full of women.

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To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Post#10940 at 10-17-2012 09:05 AM by Gianthogweed [at joined Apr 2012 #posts 590]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Romney kept on changing the subject and refused to give specifics, Obama gave specifics and called Romney out on his pathological lying.
Really? I saw it as the other way around. Particularly when Romney was holding Obama's feet to the fire on Fast and Furious and on the terrorist attacks. Obama did do a much better job on the manufacturing jobs question.
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Post#10941 at 10-17-2012 09:06 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
Now I see why CNN is so glum. In the same poll that had a plurality saying Obama won the debate, Romney crushed him, over 50%, on who would best handle these issues: the economy, taxes, health care, the deficit. In other words, all of the issues that people rate as the most important in this election. On the economy, it was 58%.

So Obama got in a few punches in this night's boxing match...but if this is the result, he's not gonna win. We'll see what the polls look like in a few days, but I sense that the outcome is now clear. We'll see.
Quite premature -- understated to keep it polite.

I can't say who had a better night last night -- Barack Obama or Justin Verlander. I guess President Obama -- Justin Verlander is dating a niece of a Michigan Republican politician.
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Post#10942 at 10-17-2012 09:24 AM by Gianthogweed [at joined Apr 2012 #posts 590]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Quite premature -- understated to keep it polite.

I can't say who had a better night last night -- Barack Obama or Justin Verlander. I guess President Obama -- Justin Verlander is dating a niece of a Michigan Republican politician.
Obama did much better this time around, but it was still very close. Overall, I would probably give this one to Obama. They both spent too much time attacking the other guy rather than talking about their own plans, but Romney's attacks, this time around, just seemed slightly more desperate. Bringing up The Fast and Furious and the Terrorist scandals should have been easy wins for him, but he spent too much time dwelling on it and going back to it. Calling the other guy out on their lies is a tactic that works well in small doses, but it's very easy to go overboard and come off as desperate. Obama was guilty of this too, particularly when he ended the debate with the 47% rib, which everyone knows by now is a misinterpretation of what Romney actually meant when he said it in the first place. Both candidates look quite desperate right now. It's actually kind of amusing to watch, being that I have no horse in this race (at least between the two of them).
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Post#10943 at 10-17-2012 09:38 AM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
I'm starting to see your point, Rani. When Romney said "we can do better"(or something like that), I certainly agree i/r/t President Obama, but also Gov. Romney to some degree. I'm still voting for Romney, but we have to have some better candidates out there than these guys.

I mean we have to, right? Right...? Right...?

Oh Sh*t!

Prince

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I heard that... and that metaphor suggested that he had a catalog of 'exotic beauties' for 'discerning men', complete with biographies and photographs. Beautiful and sophisticated Russian women, submissive Filipina women... Sorry about the dirty mind, but I know most of the double-entendres.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Quote Originally Posted by JDFP View Post
Oh, you mean the whole thing of Obama and his staff blaming the Libyan thing on a youtube video?
nope. the whole thing of romney telling a falsehood of what the president said the day after the attack, and being instantly fact-checked by a knowledgeable moderator.

loved how the president did that rope-a-dope: 'please proceed, governor.' and romney stepped right in the trap. the man is simply too gullible and full of himself to be trusted with the role of c-in-c.


The tacky sig - i.e. calling liberals out on their bullshit? Because it's honest. I didn't put words into someone's mouth, it was what someone said - a terrorist being exonerated for being a terrorist because he's an Obama supporter. I like to post it as a signature as a reminder of blatant political hypocrisy. Bill Ayers no "longer" being a terrorist while working with Obama? Yeah, that's like saying Osama Bin Laden said "sorry" about the whole 9/11 thing and repented by supporting a political figure.

j.p.
some people do eventually grow up. folks did a lot of crazy shit in the sixties. doesn't mean that they can't redeem themselves later on.

but maybe so-called 'conservatives' only believe that 'certain people' are eligible for redemption and forgiveness.







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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Please do expound on your comment i/r/t "the Libya thing".

Prince

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tybalt,

see my response above.







Post#10947 at 10-17-2012 10:38 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Bill Clinton upon hearing about Romney's binder full of women.

Wait a minute, I thought that was how he met Monica? Don't all politicians just share this binder?

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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
I heard that... and that metaphor suggested that he had a catalog of 'exotic beauties' for 'discerning men', complete with biographies and photographs. Beautiful and sophisticated Russian women, submissive Filipina women... Sorry about the dirty mind, but I know most of the double-entendres.
not only did he use awkward phrasing ('binders full of women'), but romney also lied that *he* initiated a search for qualified women to fill positions in his administration in massachusetts. see here.







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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
LOL! PW, you are so clueless when it comes to Generational Theory and Archetypal Characteristics. Have you ever even studied the generations?

Don't stop though. It's actually pretty funny(and much more interesting than a bunch of in-experienced/un-educated people discussing topics that they truly believe they have a handle on).


Prince

PS: BTW, what's your birth year?(if you don't mind telling). You've got to be a Boomer.
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
I'm still voting for Romney, but we have to have some better candidates out there than these guys.
Whoa now, if the nomads hand this over to Romney, I am going to renounce your generation faster than an apostle in Gethsemane. I thought you guys were skeptical and cynical, but this seems like contrarianism for its own sake.
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