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Post#10951 at 10-17-2012 11:34 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Playwrite, you're talking to an Xer, not a Lost. There's a difference between an Xer and someone who could've been your grandma.

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Believe me, I know from personal experience the difference between a Lost and our whoosie Xers.

My Lost grandmother would have us cut our own peach switch for her doling out of punishments. Woe to the little Silent or Boomer who brought back one that didn't give Grannie the "snap" she was looking for.

Damn, my legs just went into some kind of flashback spasm!

Xers with their body piercings, tattoos and slam dancing have no frickin idea.
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serial monogamist larry king will moderate a debate featuring four of the third party candidates.

btw, can someone in the know clue me in on the real differences between the 'green party' and the 'justice party?' is the far left splintering already?







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Gallup has Romney up by 6 points today, which is still not post-debate, but it indicates the VP debate may have hurt Obama.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
About gas prices, since they were mentioned in this debate.

The last time I remember gas prices being low was 2004/2005 around the time I started to learn how to drive. It was $1.26 on average, $1.19 was the lowest I saw it as a driver. When the 2008 election was coming? It was more like $3.89. And then it suddenly dropped down to $2.20 or so immediately after the election. That should tell you about what the gas companies always try to do.

~Chas'88
James D Glick had a post in late 2008 that showed how gas prices collapsed in the wake of the financial crisis. He'd hate for me to use his quote to defend Obama, but what Obama said in the debate is absolutely correct. Comparing gas prices today with January 20, 2009 is absolutely specious.

Clarksville, TN

Originally Posted by jamesdglick
Shell in Clarksville, TN just started [24 SEP, after restoration of the Gulf pipeline] selling regular again: $3.999/gallon.

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More recently [21 OCT]... $2.699/gallon...

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Now [25 OCT] at $2.599/gallon.

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Now [28 OCT] at $2.499/gallon.

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Now [31 OCT] at $2.359/gallon.

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Now [3 NOV] at $2.299/gallon.

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Now [7 NOV] at $2.079/gallon.

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Now [13 NOV] at $2.039/gallon.

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Now [18 NOV] at $1.809/gallon...

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Now [22 NOV] at $1.759/gallon.

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Now [30 NOV] at $1.659/gallon.

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Now [5 DEC] at $1.599/gallon.

-Now [8 DEC] at $1.559/gallon.


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Post#10955 at 10-17-2012 01:25 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Whoa now, if the nomads hand this over to Romney, I am going to renounce your generation faster than an apostle in Gethsemane. I thought you guys were skeptical and cynical, but this seems like contrarianism for its own sake.
Yeah, considering things like Romney's promise to drill, drill drill and strip strip strip; to pump as much CO2 into the air as fast as he possibly can, accelerating sea-level rise, weather disasters of all kinds, and stopping the Atlantic ocean current, just that alone makes a vote for Romney-Ryan a very destructive act. It is also a vote to explode the debt with more "magic pony" supply side economics, lowering the taxes on investment income and on everyone's taxes so much that no amount of loophole closings or drastic spending cuts to things we need like education, infrastructure, and research could possibly ever pay for it. And add to that Romney's enthusiasm for the neo-cons and a more unilateral, aggressive foreign policy, increasing the likelihood for war and more of our boys and other countries' boys getting slaughtered for oil and Israel, and yes, a vote for Romney-Ryan is pretty contrary indeed.

And that's not all. Repeal of Obamacare would leave business as well as individuals open once again to the ravages of insurance companies and bankruptcy. Repeal of Dodd-Frank would allow the bankers once again to engage in even more of the conduct that ruined our economy. Repeal of regulations that ask companies to do what they ought to do anyway, would allow businessmen to pollute and injure people in our communities with impunity. Lower taxes on the wealthy and less government support for people to improve their living standards would cause inequality to rise again even more than it already has, as the wealthy amass even more wealth while prices rise and the income of average-income folks stays flat. This is the Republicans' record; and remember, no matter how many times Romney might waffle and dodge his own promises to his right-wing base, his right-wing base will control the congress with a Romney win. That means Romney will merely be their agent who will sign everything they send him, which is exactly why they nominated someone who bends to the winds of political power wherever they blow.

Most people on the Republican side here, like Prince, are not interested in hearing these facts from us, and consider guys like me to be too convinced of our position. I agree; most of us are pretty stubborn in that respect; arguments don't seem to move us either way. The Rani thinks the two sides are bad because they scream and fight each other in debates, ads and shouting matches. But it is well to remember not only that both sides are inadequate, as well as that one side is worse than the other, but that the stakes for our country are great right now. From our point a view, our nation and planet cannot afford another Republican administration. The damage at this time would be greater than in all of history. The stakes are high. These are facts, not histrionics. And so naturally, people get passionate. And the fanaticism on the other side is breath-taking. I'm not sure why, except that it has become ingrained, and in the wake of the culture wars the red-state mentality is something that provincial people are engulfed in, and is all they know. The election is "screaming" now, but if something doesn't break through this log jam, our nation could break apart soon; that's the state of mind today in our 4T.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
People say they don't like the bickering or the rhetoric, but obviously some people do love exactly that.
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, maybe it's because people have a lot to bicker about.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Bill Clinton upon hearing about Romney's binder full of women.

lol I bet he does! Maybe Monica was in it.......
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Post#10958 at 10-17-2012 01:35 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Gianthogweed View Post
Really? I saw it as the other way around. Particularly when Romney was holding Obama's feet to the fire on Fast and Furious and on the terrorist attacks. Obama did do a much better job on the manufacturing jobs question.
My goodness. As if Fast and Furious is why people like the Aurora shooter have more access to weapons? Right; didn't even relate to the question, but certainly an opening for something to bash Obama with.
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Post#10959 at 10-17-2012 01:37 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
Gallup has Romney up by 6 points today, which is still not post-debate, but it indicates the VP debate may have hurt Obama.
It is pretty weird that Gallup is such an outlier now. Some kind of methodology change appears to be the reason.
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Post#10960 at 10-17-2012 01:43 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
We do, and that's why they're not allowed to participate in the debates.
My feeling is that voting for politicians (even third-party candidates) won't improve our country. That's up to The People.
It's up to the people to vote for the right candidates, at all levels. Government works; cynicism doesn't.
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Post#10961 at 10-17-2012 01:47 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Gianthogweed View Post
Calling the other guy out on their lies is a tactic that works well in small doses, but it's very easy to go overboard and come off as desperate. Obama was guilty of this too, particularly when he ended the debate with the 47% rib, which everyone knows by now is a misinterpretation of what Romney actually meant when he said it in the first place.
I don't see how it is a misinterpretation. Obama quoted him virtually verbatim. There is no doubt about what he said. It was very revealing about where his heart is. It was not one of his typical gaffes either. It was a long, well thought-out statement. It is basic Republican philosophy in a nutshell too. Of course it is what he means, and what all of them mean. Romney ought to be sunk on that basis alone. Obama was right to use it against him.
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Quote Originally Posted by the bouncer View Post
serial monogamist larry king will moderate a debate featuring four of the third party candidates.

btw, can someone in the know clue me in on the real differences between the 'green party' and the 'justice party?' is the far left splintering already?
That's a perennial problem on the Left. We have had a viable Left third party for years now, and yet some people keep saying we need one. Hard to figure.
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
"Act of Terror"=A spontaneous protest gone bad.
I don't follow that math
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Post#10964 at 10-17-2012 02:28 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
About gas prices, since they were mentioned in this debate.

The last time I remember gas prices being low was 2004/2005 around the time I started to learn how to drive. It was $1.26 on average, $1.19 was the lowest I saw it as a driver. When the 2008 election was coming? It was more like $3.89. And then it suddenly dropped down to $2.20 or so immediately after the election. That should tell you about what the gas companies always try to do.

~Chas'88
Two things drive gasolime prices: the benchmark price of crude and taxes on fuel. Right now, the benchmarks are high. Why? Because the Chinese are now actively purchasing and driving cars. More cars were sold last year in China than the US, if that tells you anything.

So now, we're back to simple supply and demand. Demand is highly flexible. People drive for necessity (not particularly flexible) and for pleasure (virtually all optional). Use has soared, and most of the new demand is offshore, and driven by the newly rich and middle class. When demand starts to approach the upper limit of supply, prices rise. This is not a political issue, unless you wish to argue that drill-baby-drill or a headlong rush to alternative technology is the answer. Of course, neither will be on-line sooner than the early 2020s.

The one item that can be controlled by governement is taxes on fuel. Are you suggesting they be lowered? If so, how will you maintain the roads and bridges? How will you build new ones?
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Yeah, considering things like Romney's promise to drill, drill drill and strip strip strip; to pump as much CO2 into the air as fast as he possibly can, accelerating sea-level rise, weather disasters of all kinds, and stopping the Atlantic ocean current, just that alone makes a vote for Romney-Ryan a very destructive act. It is also a vote to explode the debt with more "magic pony" supply side economics, lowering the taxes on investment income and on everyone's taxes so much that no amount of loophole closings or drastic spending cuts to things we need like education, infrastructure, and research could possibly ever pay for it. And add to that Romney's enthusiasm for the neo-cons and a more unilateral, aggressive foreign policy, increasing the likelihood for war and more of our boys and other countries' boys getting slaughtered for oil and Israel, and yes, a vote for Romney-Ryan is pretty contrary indeed.
As significantly, Romney and Ryan promise a return to the very late-3T practices, only this time more intensely, that brought America to the brink of ruin. The effectiveness of our economic policies do not depend upon some "right people" getting all that they want irrespective of the harm to everyone else. As a reckless neophyte on foreign policy, Mitt Romney could easily bungle his way into a war for which America is ill-prepared. That's not to say that we should expect to fully avoid war this time... it is of course best that we face any great danger with our integrity intact.

And that's not all. Repeal of Obamacare would leave business as well as individuals open once again to the ravages of insurance companies and bankruptcy. Repeal of Dodd-Frank would allow the bankers once again to engage in even more of the conduct that ruined our economy. Repeal of regulations that ask companies to do what they ought to do anyway, would allow businessmen to pollute and injure people in our communities with impunity. Lower taxes on the wealthy and less government support for people to improve their living standards would cause inequality to rise again even more than it already has, as the wealthy amass even more wealth while prices rise and the income of average-income folks stays flat. This is the Republicans' record; and remember, no matter how many times Romney might waffle and dodge his own promises to his right-wing base, his right-wing base will control the congress with a Romney win. That means Romney will merely be their agent who will sign everything they send him, which is exactly why they nominated someone who bends to the winds of political power wherever they blow.
He would deepen the social stresses that America already has. He would impose more desperation that would weaken such unity as we have. America needs to congeal behind common purpose, and more conspicuous consumption for economic elites made possible by greater hardships by the rest of us won't be a satisfying objective. In view of regional divides that now exist Romney-Ryan is a non-solution. A 4T always poses consummate risk to everything.
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
ML, with all due respect, although Supply/Demand is always in-play, the biggest component of the Price of Unleaded Gasoline(RBOB) is Investment Capital, or more specifically, the availability of Investment Capital(ie: Borrowing Costs). This is where Fed Monetary Policy comes into play. The Price of Crude(and thus the Price of RBOB) would be much lower without some of the current and continuing Fed Policies. But, the S&P 500 would also be about 2000+ points lower as well, so....

Price Stabilization, Baby!

Prince

PS: Playwrite might even back me up on this one(maybe not).
What's your take, PW?
You're right and all of the econometric research from the last 10 years agrees with you on this, but PW seems to deny the possibility. I'll let him speak for himself, but it is usually one of those facts that tends to send him off on his magic pony.
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
ML, with all due respect, although Supply/Demand is always in-play, the biggest component of the Price of Unleaded Gasoline(RBOB) is Investment Capital, or more specifically, the availability of Investment Capital(ie: Borrowing Costs). This is where Fed Monetary Policy comes into play. The Price of Crude(and thus the Price of RBOB) would be much lower without some of the current and continuing Fed Policies. But, the S&P 500 would also be about 2000+ points lower as well, so....

Price Stabilization, Baby!

Prince

PS: Playwrite might even back me up on this one(maybe not).
What's your take, PW?
Unless I'm out to lunch entirely, the Fed has pushed borowing costs down about as far as they can go. Are you suggesting we need negative rates? And please don't tell me you believe there is some form of crowding out in the market. If so, how? Excess capital is stacked about like cordwood, and the Fed is priming the pump at the rate of $40B a month.
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Unless I'm out to lunch entirely, the Fed has pushed borowing costs down about as far as they can go. Are you suggesting we need negative rates? And please don't tell me you believe there is some form of crowding out in the market. If so, how? Excess capital is stacked about like cordwood, and the Fed is priming the pump at the rate of $40B a month.
No, the availability of cheap credit encourages increasingly speculative investment. Considering all alternative investments, commodities become a prime target for speculation in extremely low-rate environments.

It's turning in to a big giant bubble, but it is "rational" behavior as far as markets are concerned. People respond to incentives, and the incentives encourage hoarding of commodities.

The nice thing is that after the bubble pops, a bunch of refined materials will be ready to go and be used for more productive things than collecting dust and monetary appreciation. But that probably won't happen until there's a little upward nudge in interest rates.


IMO, fiscal stimulus should be increased from the government side in a way that puts upward pressure on labor prices. We can't just borrow to dig ditches, though, so the money should go toward building better infrastructure that increases trade and labor efficiency for a long time to come. Faster trains, deeper ports, bigger airports... etc... those public investments pay themselves off by making people and things more mobile. *Education and healthcare are other good public investments, because they pay off with a more productive population.

Once the government issues sufficient bonds to finance this at the current low interest rates, the Federal Reserve should then slowly increase the rate expectations toward a more moderate 4-6%

But this is the elections 2012 thread, and good luck with any of that happening regardless of who is elected.
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Me neither, Eric. Nobody really cares anyway. It's all just optics, popularity contests, word-games, and data-framing these days. The media doesn't help things. I believe they need the dog-fight for ratings.
True enough. That doesn't mean that the media circus is all that it's about, but it doesn't help.
On a related note:

I will say that I found it refreshing that Sec. Clinton finally took reponsibility for the embassy security issue at Benghazi. I do wonder why it took so long, though. There's obviously some sort of disconnect occuring between her and the Administration. Could be that she was waiting for the President to make a decision and finally just did so on her own. Who knows? Regardless, like I said before to you, I don't agree with her political POV, but I do like her style. She's definitely competent, IMO(unlike most political-animals).


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Obama took responsibility too in the debate. What really happened, it appears, is that state dept. officials made this decision on the basis of routine procedure. Not enough thought was given to the request, and the special circumstances of Libya. It didn't enter the radar of higher ups like Obama and H. Clinton, perhaps because they were preoccupied with other matters, but maybe it should have.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
And I'm sure that's just fine with Us.
Gen X is used to that I guess. (they grew up with it, so it is said)
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
And I'm sure that's just fine with Us.
Gonna change the password to the club, huh?

Hey, I can totally understand voting 3rd party out of conscience, but what I don't get is the growing blind spot a lot of Xers seem to have when it comes to actively wanting Romney to win.
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From Mia Moore, Democracy for America:

So...apparently Mitt Romney has "binders full of women."

Well. Err. Um. (That was my immediate reaction last night while listening to Mitt's painful response to a question on equal pay and equal rights for women in the workplace.)

Of course, I shouldn't have been surprised. This is coming from a man who "spent his life in the private sector" running a company that has only 8 female executives...out of 87 total executives at Bain Capital. The same man who also has decreed that workplaces can discriminate against women by refusing them basic contraceptive care as part of their insurance benefits. And the same man that wants to de-fund Planned Parenthood and all of the preventative care -- like Mammograms -- that go along with it.

But he has binders full of women!
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Gonna change the password to the club, huh?

Hey, I can totally understand voting 3rd party out of conscience, but what I don't get is the growing blind spot a lot of Xers seem to have when it comes to actively wanting Romney to win.
It's not a "blind spot". It's simple. Obama is not getting the job done. He spends all his time blathering out his ideological dogma in speeches, "I hate rich people, blah, blah, blah", but the economy sucks and he's failed to do anything about it.

Next.

You don't understand Xers if you don't understand that POV.

To help you out, I'll quote Ferris Bueller:

"I do have a test today. That wasn't bullshit. It's on European socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European. I don't plan on being European. So who gives a crap if they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists. It still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car. Not that I condone fascism, or any "ism" for that matter. "Isms" in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an "ism", he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon: "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the Walrus. I could be the Walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off of people."
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I don't think that having more faith in The People than in politicians is cynical.
Seen at least a few fb comments by people I went to HS with saying the same thing.
Your gen X classmates; who would be shocked?

No, you said, "My feeling is that voting for politicians (even third-party candidates) won't improve our country. That's up to The People."

That implies that politicians, who operate our government, cannot improve the country; that only "The People" can. And it doesn't matter which ones we vote for. But the politicians are ourselves, and it does matter which ones win. What I agree with is that voting for politicians ALONE will not improve the country. The people need to also act on their own, and hold the feet of their politicians to the fire too.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive,

Eric A. Meece







Post#10975 at 10-17-2012 03:58 PM by the bouncer [at joined Aug 2002 #posts 220]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
It's not a "blind spot". It's simple. Obama is not getting the job done. He spends all his time blathering out his ideological dogma in speeches, "I hate rich people, blah, blah, blah", but the economy sucks and he's failed to do anything about it.
another lie. you're as bad as romney. 'i hate rich people,' my ass. he was explicit last night about his support for the free enterprise system.

Next.

You don't understand Xers if you don't understand that POV.

To help you out, I'll quote Ferris Bueller:
of course there's an 'ism' implied in that quote from bueller. it's egoism. 'believe in me.' rancid warmed-over boomerism for gen x.
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