Cute, but as you know, cats are democrats, and dogs are republicans. I don' think each party nominated either though. As bad as Romney is, I'd still say he's humanOriginally Posted by Chas'88
It wasn't when I posted it. Oh well, this'll do just as well.
And as you know I'm a fan of both, but I have my favorites. Salukis for dogs and Chat Noirs for cats:
~Chas'88
Yeah, Romney is doing better if you only consult the most Republican-leaning polls. And Obama is doing fine moneywise.
I don't know how some people say all Romney has to do is "clear the bar" and appear presidential. He still is by far the worst choice for many reasons.
One remark on Chas' list says Mittens is good at rattling off numbers. Yeah, if that's all a president needs to do, we're all set. Of course he can do ZERO about anything indicated by those numbers except do nothing. Why doesn't he run for CEO instead of president? He's not going to do anything as president, so why on Earth does he want the damn job??
Last edited by Eric the Green; 10-23-2012 at 12:47 AM.
Republican leaning polls? The WSJ/NBC poll has a +6 skew, Rasmussen has a +3 Dem skew.
Romney has already been a CEO and a Gov. He's shown he is ready to be President. The momentum is moving in his direction, the enthusiasm is on his side. Obama looks tired. If Obama manages to win it'll be a weak ugly win and his second term will probably look a lot like Truman's second term where he probably wished he'd lost......
Rasmussen is a consistent Republican outlier. If you watched the polls you'd know that. I think it does tend to be a little more accurate toward the end. It had Obama at 1 point less than he got in Nov. 2008 for instance. Wall street Journal? Yeah right, very democratic organization!
Maybe, but enthusiasm is equal now. Obama didn't look tired at all; Romney did. Since he doesn't want to do anything as president, why is he running? You didn't answer that one.Romney has already been a CEO and a Gov. He's shown he is ready to be President. The momentum is moving in his direction, the enthusiasm is on his side. Obama looks tired. If Obama manages to win it'll be a weak ugly win and his second term will probably look a lot like Truman's second term where he probably wished he'd lost......
Nate Silver:
The bad news for President Obama: it’s been almost a week since the second presidential debate, in Hempstead, N.Y., one that instant-reaction polls said was a narrow victory for him. But there is little sign that this has translated into a bounce for Mr. Obama in his head-to-head polls against Mitt Romney. Instead, the presidential race may have settled into a period of relative stability.
There is bad news for Mr. Romney as well, however. The “new normal” of the presidential campaign is considerably more favorable for him than the environment before the first debate, in Denver. However, it is one in which he still seems to be trailing, by perhaps 2 percentage points, in the states that are most vital in the Electoral College....
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...e-favorite/?hp
I agree with most of this. Romney went overboard in the first debate and got a reward for it. Obama learned to do the same in the last two. You can agree that this is good or bad - your choice. Whether it worked is still to be determined.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
Did Mittens really say that Syria was Iran's link to the sea? Epic geography FAIL!!!
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Best thing for Mitt to do on this gaffe is just chuckle and say he got confused (oops
the president gave romney a proper smack-down. several, in fact. and mitt had it coming. he's completely at sea (somewhere between iran and syria) when it comes to foreign affairs.
no wonder he decided to "like" obama on afghanistan. at least last night.
Yea Iran has like 2000 miles of coastline and Syria probable less than 20.
When this guy's not lying his ass off, he's basically an empty suit mouthing what the NeoCons have shoved up his ass. They're going to have their way with him, and the rest of us, if this guy gets elected.
At least Bibi will get to shoot off a couple of nukes; he's been dying for that place in history.
I just wish we'd bring back the military draft so that idiot nihilists otherwise in the making could 'get' the difference before they harden into adulthood. Xer's, at least many of the ones represented here, have no clue - they've have had that luxury – and not going to change because they are past the point of personal risk. Although it might be a different story if their kids were subjected to a military draft.
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“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
What network?
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
Romney has clearly pointed out his plans to fix the economy in much more detail than Obama has pointed out his own plans for a 2nd term. Obama's entire campaign has spent over 100 million dollars trying to paint Romney as an unnacceptable alternative which Romney's 1st debate and subsequent debate performances have demolished completely.
Obama has been fighting like a chicken with his head cut off flailing around for a coherent message, strategy and changing tactics by arguing small things and word plays like "Romnesia" ....Very much like the 92' Bush campaign. It has clearly failed.
If the media wasn's so compliant to Obama they would be correctly pointing out that NO President trailing in the Gallup poll by 6 points this late in October has EVER won.
Okay, found it:
http://communities.washingtontimes.c...eduled-tuesday
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
I wish this one was earlier in the debate season. It stands a chance to be more interesting than the main party debates.
Ask yourself,
are you really ready for these shitheads again; is the country -
Out of Romney's 24 special advisors on foreign policy, 17 served in the Bush-Cheney administration. If Romney were to win, it's likely that many of these people would serve in his administration in some capacity -- a frightening prospect given the legacy of this particular group. The last time they were in government, it was disastrous.
For example, one of Romney's top surrogates on the campaign trail is John Bolton, who served as President George W. Bush's ambassador to the United Nations. Bolton embodies the reckless neoconservative thinking that was largely responsible for getting us into Iraq under false pretenses. Today, he openly roots for diplomacy with Iran to fail and is all-too-eager to send our men and women in uniform into war. Last year, for instance, Bolton said that, "It would be in our interest to overthrow this regime in SyriDan Senor is one of Romney’s closest advisers on foreign policy. Since Paul Ryan has been selected as the GOP’s vice presidential candidate, Senor has been traveling with Ryan–but today, he left the trail because of the “foreign policy developments” and is in Boston and NYC.
Senor is the former spokesman for the American government in Iraq (the Coalition Provisional Authority at the beginning of the Iraq war under George W. Bush) and is a particularly close adviser to Romney on the Middle East. (He has traveled with Romney to Israel three times, as well as written a book on Israel that Romney often cites). With Ryan, he consults on domestic and foreign policy issues.
Last month, the New York Times described Senor as an “advocate of neoconservative thinking that has sought to push presidents to the right for years on Middle East policy.”Nine of Romney's advisers did sign that PNAC mission statement and/or one of its several public policy letters. They are Paula Dobriansky, Vin Weber, Daniel Senor, Eliot Cohen, Eric Edelman, John Lehman, Donald Kagan, Robert Kagan and Aaron Friedberg. These guys couch their philosophy in the boilerplate of democracy, but they have never shied away from the term "imperialism." These guys have Romney's ear. These guys whose advice has cost so many thousands of lives of Americans and others are telling the GOP candidate that Russia (which they sometimes call the "Soviet Union") is the most important geostrategic threat to the United States. These guys tell us Iran should have been bombed yesterday.It's one thing to come away with the umpteenth Romney lies and flip- flopping on domestic issues, but do you really want to buy into the airbrushing away of these NeoCon dickheads who will be orders more capable of sock-puppeting Mittens than they were even with Bush.Adelson, Sheldon
Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson is prepared to provide “limitless” sums to put a right-wing, “pro-Israel” Republican in the White House—as well as to ensure that his casino earnings in China don’t get taxed.
Black, Cofer
Former CIA officer and Blackwater executive Cofer Black has been called Mitt Romney’s “trusted envoy to the dark side.”
Bolton, John
John Bolton, the notorious hardliner who served as President Bush’s UN ambassador, thinks he’s the best man for the White House, but he’s thrown his support to Mitt Romney because he’s “the most conservative candidate who is capable of getting elected.”
Burnham, Christopher
A State Department official during the George W. Bush administration, Christopher Burnham now advises the Mitt Romney campaign.
Carlucci, Frank
President Reagan’s Pentagon chief and an alleged conspirator in the assassination of former DRC Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba, Frank Carlucci now serves as an attack dog for Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign.
Chertoff, Michael
Romney adviser Michael Chertoff, a former secretary of homeland security, has aggressively defended the Bush administration’s prosecution of the “war on terror,” including its controversial detention of Arab and Muslim immigrants who were never charged with any crimes.
Cohen, Eliot
A neoconservative academic based at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, Cohen served as an adviser to President George W. Bush as well as to the 2012 Mitt Romney presidential campaign.
Coleman, Norm
Resurrecting an old neoconservative talking point, Romney surrogate Norm Coleman promises that a president Romney “would not be asking permission” to launch U.S. interventions in the Middle East.
Danilovich, John
John Danilovich, a foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney, has worked to use U.S. foreign aid to push countries to make reforms that reflect “American values.”
Dobriansky, Paula
Mitt Romney adviser Paula Dobriansky, a Bush administration undersecretary of state and supporter of the Project for a New American Century’s militarist advocacy campaigns, is a fellow at Harvard’s Belfer Center and adviser to the neoconservative Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
Edelman, Eric
Romney campaign adviser Eric Edelman has long been associated with hawkish factions in U.S. politics, including the likes of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.
Hayden, Michael
Romney adviser Michael Hayden has been a stalwart advocate of the Bush record on torture and warrantless wiretapping.
Healey, Kerry
Kerry Healey helped recruit Mitt Romney into Massachusetts politics and remains a trusted foreign policy adviser to his presidential campaign, but little is known of her own views on foreign affairs.
Holmes, Kim
Kim Holmes, a longtime foreign policy director at the right-wing Heritage Foundation, has brought his advocacy of bloated defense budgets and “American exceptionalism” to the Romney campaign.
Joseph, Robert
Romney adviser Robert Joseph, John Bolton’s successor in the Bush State Department, has staked out a hard line in support of costly missile defense programs and against arms control agreements.
Kagan, Robert
Romney adviser Robert Kagan is a leading neoconservative policy pundit, a cofounder of numerous militarist pressure groups, and an important backer of U.S. overseas military interventions like the Iraq War.
Lehman, John
John F. Lehman heads a private equity firm whose investment interests dovetail with his hawkish political advocacy, which has included supporting the presidential campaigns of John McCain and Mitt Romney, as well as the work of numerous neoconservative pressure groups.
Natsios, Andrew
Andrew Natsios is a Romney foreign policy adviser and fellow at the neoconservative Hudson Institute who opposed the distribution of AIDS drugs in Africa as the Bush administration’s USAID director.
O’Sullivan, Meghan
Previously a special assistant to President George W. Bush, Meghan O’Sullivan now advises the Mitt Romney campaign.
Phares, Walid
A self-styled terrorism “expert” who claims that the killing of Osama bin Laden strengthened Al Qaeda, former right-wing Lebanese militia member Walid Phares serves as an adviser to Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign.
Prosper, Pierre
Romney campaign adviser Pierre Prosper has criticized the Obama administration for opposing proposed missile-defense sites in Czechoslovakia, despite the fact that the country ceased to exist in 1993.
Reiss, Mitchell
Romney adviser Mitchell Reiss—an advocate for both negotiating with the Taliban and delisting the MEK—has apparently been sidelined by more hardline advisers to the campaign.
Senor, Dan
Former Iraq war spokesman Dan Senor has brought his Bush-era foreign policy views to the Romney campaign.
Talent, Jim
Former Senator Jim Talent, a foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney and stalwart advocate of Pentagon spending, says he would have voted for the Iraq War even if he had known the Bush administration’s claims about WMDs were false.
Weber, Vin
The track record of former Rep. Vin Weber, a policy adviser to Mitt Romney, includes supporting a number of pro-war advocacy campaigns, including those spearheaded by the Project for the New American Century.
Williamson, Richard
Romney surrogate Richard Williamson has played up the former governor’s hawkish bluster on Iran, but he has been hard-pressed to show how the candidate’s policies would differ from Obama’s.
Zakheim, Dov
Mitt Romney adviser Dov Zakheim is a retired defense contractor executive and Pentagon official whose views on foreign policy appear to veer between hardnosed realism and neoconservatism.
I guess its okay as long as its other families' kids being put in harm's way, right?
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Sorry, but Romney got off easy. He's the one that brought up the comparison of today's navy to the one we had in WW1, and it was far from his only disaster last night on the foreign policy talk.
Maybe we can send some ironsides to go block in the Syrian port and landlock Iran... lol
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
I guess so. Americans don't seem to care enough to choose carefully whom they put in the Oval Office.It's one thing to come away with the umpteenth Romney lies and flip- flopping on domestic issues, but do you really want to buy into the airbrushing away of these NeoCon dickheads who will be orders more capable of sock-puppeting Mittens than they were even with Bush.
I guess its okay as long as its other families' kids being put in harm's way, right?
But Obama was right in saying Romney had not started the other programs he mentioned before that. Romney cut spending for education. The point? All Romney wants to do is cut funding for education, infrastructure, energy, health care; all the things we need. This is according to his philosophy that government can't do anything. Romney is running for office so that he can do nothing. That is his prescription for the economy. I just hope the people know what their getting if they vote for the douchebag.
Yeah but Obama's reaction looked like "Oh really? I'm surprised. OK."
He didn't have all his fans coming to whine about how unfair and mean it was.
I was a little surprised too, just because a lot of states have had similar programs for a really long time, and MA is usually ahead of the curve on education. I'd have thought something similar existed before Romney's administration, but now I'll just have to admit he did something right instead.
It was a little weird that Romney bragged about how great MA schools were since they ranked at the top long before and long after he got there, but hey, at least he didn't completely screw it up! Couple points for Romney there, even if he doesn't know what the Persian Gulf is.
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Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
If people think that way, they are wrong. It was perfectly appropriate, and brought out his point very well. But then again, people are wrong a lot in America.
Nah, Romney's comparison was so off base that Obama let him off easy. It would be like complaining that our medical policies have failed and offering the proof that pharmacies don't have as much snake oil stocked as they did in the 1870s.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
By "people", you mean Obama supporters. The reason they're doing that is because that's what the Obama campaign has resorted to, in light of the fact that his record is indefensible on the economy.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987
lol Rani =)
Except that Romney IS an asshole, and it doesn't matter how many snarky things you say about him, they are all true. I only hope people DO remember these things. More power to the president; at least he got in some clever lines. That's what we NEED in a president; some humor; even snarky humor. And no matter what The Rani posts to trick me into believing Romney actually said it, I will believe her!
Of course Obama can't tell the truth about the issues either. He has to defend Israel, say he won't cut defense, defend an inadequate health care reform, agree with Romney that drones are only killing terrorists, take no options off the table about Iran, etc. To tell the truth is not politically feasible. Why? It's not really his fault. It's our fault. We don't support candidates when they tell the truth. It was a pleasure to watch Jill Stein alongside the establishment candidates on Democracy Now. Someone has to tell the truth, and not merely what is politically feasible to say.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 10-23-2012 at 02:23 PM.
I think it should be said more often that the trajectory on the unemployment rate during Reagan's first 4 years is virtually identical to Obama's during his 4 years.
Why indeed would we go back to the way things were? It's morning in America.
