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Post#11351 at 10-24-2012 05:27 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Yes, we're all aware of your ability and inclination to believe lies if they come from the right mouths.

I'm sure that's as much a comfort to the various murdered (and to-be-murdered) human beings as it is to whatever vestiges may be of your own conscience.

Nevertheless, the dead are no less brown (at least what parts of their outsides remain intact, scattered among their race-nonspecific innards -- which themselves are no less red, white, grey, and pink) for being blown up by the one bastard than they were for being blown up by the previous one, or will be under the next one. And that's the part contrary to the point you seemed to be trying to make.
What's the motivation of 'Obama the murderer"?

You've seen how the politics have played out where even getting OBL is now passe and readily discounted. So why do the now below-the-fold ( if even on the front page) Predator strikes that you find so evil result in anything for Obama? My sense is the more the ‘collateral damage,’ the more likely the story is moved to or up the front page and I don't think anybody can argue that is viewed as a positive.

So put aside your more-holier-than-thou bullshit and tell me, from a rational/logical perspective, what is the motive here?

I'm mean with Putin it’s pretty obvious -

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=163478093

Russian Lawmakers Widen Definition Of Treason
but unlike "Putin, Leader for Life," even if Obama wins this Nov 6, he's gone in 4 years - do you really believe after he’s re-elected he would call off the Predators on Nov 7??? If not, then how is it tied to his re-election???

While I've never understand the need by some to play the sanctimonious card, I've gotten use to it. However, if I have to be subjected to it, one would hope for at least some tiny bit of logic behind it.
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Post#11352 at 10-24-2012 10:27 PM by Seattleblue [at joined Aug 2009 #posts 562]
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No "Playwrite", you truly enjoy trying to humiliate people and being abusive. Politics is just an excuse to engage in this behavior. Something is very wrong with you and I have no idea why people put up with your piss poor treatment, or even address your troll persona at all here.







Post#11353 at 10-25-2012 01:49 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
It's not necessarily a fault to be stubborn; It depends on what is being proposed, how it will be accomplished, and why it is desired, IMO. I would say that it may also have something to do with the level of self-doubt in one's perception of their correctness on an issue. I might also add one's level of interest in learning new things. I enjoy learning; Others may not. IME, it's very difficult to teach someone something without them coming to a conclusion on their own. When that occurs, it holds more value IMO because that knowledge is earned. I call that distinction learning. Teaching vs Learning. Learned=Earned=Learned.
That makes sense. New ideas have to be arrived at from your own thought to mean anything to you.
Well, funny you asked that, Eric. After having listened to some of the opinions on the MB, I actually may indeed change my Mind on my vote because I reside in a state that will most certainly go to Obama/Biden. Because of that, and the fact that I'm voting against Obama/Biden more than I'm voting for Romney/Ryan, I may just vote for another candidate. I would have never thought that through without listening to the opinions of others and weighing the logic. So there's another examples of someone(me) being open to changing their Mind.
If that happens, you will get the Eric Meece award. Good. Obviously the third party debate might furnish someone to consider.
Yeah, a political party so stuck on one ridiculous policy like: The Fed Govt is the best solution to most if not all of one's perceived problems!(giggle!)
I doubt you can actually quote me saying that. My actual position is more nuanced than that. People really need to learn to recognize nuance instead of jumping on people without seeing it.

I sure do! Everybody knows that the real "job creator" is the government. You know, "you didn't build that" and all that sort of jazz.
The jazz is quite true that "you didn't build that;" meaning not alone. Government and society in general always helps. Everyone knows that most jobs are not created by government, and certainly are not all gov't. jobs. But why do Republicans like Romney run for office, claiming that it is because they want to "create jobs," and then say government can't create jobs? They don't want to do anything about jobs. They just think business should be left to its own devices, because they believe it will be better for them. It isn't even true. Well, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz me if you like, but you opened the door. As JB would say, peace.
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Post#11354 at 10-25-2012 02:09 AM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
I changed my siggy because of my recognition that JB's song:"Pray" held value.
If that's not changing one's mind, I don't know what is!
Bad kitty. Just for that:

Sweet sappy syrupy stuff attracts killer bees.


Think of it as one of the new CIA "enhanced torture" methods, syrup and beeing.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







Post#11355 at 10-25-2012 02:26 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
Bad kitty. Just for that:

Sweet sappy syrupy stuff attracts killer bees.


Think of it as one of the new CIA "enhanced torture" methods, syrup and beeing.
May the killer bees sting all JB haterz!
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Post#11356 at 10-25-2012 02:40 AM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
May the killer bees sting all JB haterz!


And rashes for those who are allergic to Poison.
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There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







Post#11357 at 10-25-2012 03:03 AM by JustPassingThrough [at joined Dec 2006 #posts 5,196]
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Parsing the Polls

I do this stuff to satisfy my own curiosity lately, but I might as well post it here. There are four daily tracking polls in the RCP average now: Rasmussen, Gallup, ABC/WP and IBD/TIPP. The first three show Romney with a lead nationally (+4, +3 and +1 respectively). The IBD poll shows Obama +3. The other polls don't have party ID breakdowns (at least not easily accessible), but when you look at the IBD/TIPP poll, this is what you see:

D: 38%
R: 31%
I: 32%

These are the Party ID numbers from the 2008 exit poll:

D: 39%
R: 32%
I: 29%

These are the Party ID numbers from the 2004 exit poll:

D: 37%
R: 37%
I: 26%

These are Gallup's most recent numbers for party ID (registered voters or adults I'm assuming):

D: 32%
R: 28%
I: 38%

This is the top line of the IBD poll:

Obama: 47.3%
Romney: 44.3%
Undecided: 5.9%

This is how each candidate does among each party ID group in the IBD poll (Obama - Romney - Undecided):

D: 88 - 7 - 4
R: 8 - 88 - 2
I: 38- 47 - 12

Romney is winning Republicans by the same margin Obama is winning Democrats, and winning Independents by 9 points. Obama's lead in the poll is due entirely to the big advantage it shows for Democrat party ID, which is identical to the 2008 exit poll. Here's what you get if you adjust the IBD poll to reflect Gallup's party ID:

Obama: 45.4%
Romney: 45.7%
Undecided: 6.5%

The other interesting thing is the number of undecideds in the IBD poll. Here's how the four tracking polls compare:

Rasmussen: 4%
Gallup: 3%
ABC/WP: 3%
IBD/TIPP: 5.9%

So the one poll that shows an Obama lead shows 2-3% more undecided than the other polls, and a huge advantage in Democrat party ID and/or enthusiasm and turnout, unchanged from 2008.
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Post#11358 at 10-25-2012 03:20 AM by JustPassingThrough [at joined Dec 2006 #posts 5,196]
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And now for Ohio. Here's the RCP average:

Obama:47.9
Romney: 45.8
Spread: Obama +2.1

Here's the Party ID breakdown from the 2008 exit poll in OH:

D: 39%
R: 31%
I: 30%

Here's the Party ID breakdown from the 2004 exit poll in OH:

D: 35%
R: 40%
I: 25%

The Time poll shows Obama with a 5 point lead. Here's their Party ID breakdown:

D: 37%
R: 28%
I: 29%

The SurveyUSA poll shows Obama with a 3 point lead. Here's their Party ID breakdown:

D: 39%
R: 32%
I: 25%

Same thing again. The polls that favor Obama, both nationally and on the state level, appear to be consistently predicting a Party ID and turnout identical to 2008. Chances of that happening? Pretty low, in my opinion.
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Post#11359 at 10-25-2012 08:17 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Oopsie! I didn't read all the posts from today. Too playdude-heavy.

Hmm ... observations ...

While we were waiting for the debate to start, the crowd was really energized/enthusiastic and everyone was chit-chatting with everyone else, whether they were strangers or not.
Other than the one time that Virgil sort of got booed (which was unfortunate) everyone in the audience was supportive of every candidate.
I got to talk with three of the candidates afterwards (all the other groupies wanted pictures but I just wanted to chat) and I learned that Rocky is NOT on the Illinois ballot, because the Cook Co. Green Party chairman got him booted off! Apparently third party politics is still politics.
I also told Jill Stein that I was appalled that her arrest was completely ignored by the media. She said she was appalled too.
After watching the tape .... Gary Johnson looks a lot meaner on camera than he does in person! He is a sweetheart. They all are, actually.

That's about all I can think of that you probably couldn't get from watching the video.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Quote Originally Posted by Seattleblue View Post
No "Playwrite", you truly enjoy trying to humiliate people and being abusive. Politics is just an excuse to engage in this behavior. Something is very wrong with you and I have no idea why people put up with your piss poor treatment, or even address your troll persona at all here.
You may notice that my so-called abuse is pretty selective. It is generally aimed at repetitive horseshit like there being no daylight between the two parties. If you don't want the abuse, then don't repetitively post such crap.
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Post#11361 at 10-25-2012 08:42 AM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
What's the motivation of 'Obama the murderer"?
To the dead and to-be-dead, what does that matter at all? To others it might matter, but only as a means to excuse the unjustifiable.

Decent people at least try to avoid consciously engaging in that, since it tends to increase the extent to which the unjustifiable will be committed.

Or maybe he just gets off on it. The inner working of sick minds are questions better posed to people who study them. Maybe ask Rani?
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Post#11362 at 10-25-2012 08:48 AM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
You may notice that my so-called abuse is pretty selective. It is generally aimed at repetitive horseshit like there being no daylight between the two parties. If you don't want the abuse, then don't repetitively post such crap.
Indeed. You need to post only repetitive horseshit that fits inside pw's box of acceptable narratives if you want him to leave you alone.

Or, you know, just manage not to mind the shit he flings. I, for one, value his being here. In his absence, we might have been hard-pressed to find such a living archetypal example of "Reactionary Prophet". And knowing one's opponent is key to forging an effective path to victory.
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Post#11363 at 10-25-2012 09:55 AM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Hmm ... what?
I haven't been following your discussion.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure where the whole 'murderer's motivations' question came from, either. I'm satisfied just to chalk it up to another of pw's non sequitors, fire off a response, and ride the ride as it goes.
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
To the dead and to-be-dead, what does that matter at all? To others it might matter, but only as a means to excuse the unjustifiable.

Decent people at least try to avoid consciously engaging in that, since it tends to increase the extent to which the unjustifiable will be committed.

Or maybe he just gets off on it. The inner working of sick minds are questions better posed to people who study them. Maybe ask Rani?
Let me see if I can help you out with this because you seem to be having a hard time with it.

Justified or unjustified is a determination that Obama is making; one that you apparently are on the other side of. It is still a determination for both of you.

That determination has to be based on some objective, some motivation. What do you believe is his objective - his motivation that leads him to being on the opposite side of the determination from you?

What you are still offering is just more sanctimonious horseshit. I want to know your logic.

To be honest, I really don't think you have any. I think this is just more knee jerked hatred for the country that coddles you.
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Indeed. You need to post only repetitive horseshit that fits inside pw's box of acceptable narratives if you want him to leave you alone.


Or, you know, just manage not to mind the shit he flings. I, for one, value his being here. In his absence, we might have been hard-pressed to find such a living archetypal example of "Reactionary Prophet". And knowing one's opponent is key to forging an effective path to victory.
It is rare indeed that the horseshit I point out evokes any logical defense that turns it instead into a gold nugget of truth. That's the problem with intellectual truth for people who live in magic pony lands.

You keep trying to attribute this to some generational type, but there's that whole Occam's Razor thingee. If you can't logically defend some idiot conjecture, then perhaps it simply is idiot conjecture - regardless of what generational type is mouthing the idiocy.

But do keep trying.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
...But I agree with your "who cares" answer.
Talk about one-trick ponies.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Quote Originally Posted by Seattleblue View Post
No "Playwrite", you truly enjoy trying to humiliate people and being abusive. Politics is just an excuse to engage in this behavior. Something is very wrong with you and I have no idea why people put up with your piss poor treatment, or even address your troll persona at all here.
With this I agree with you. I have told PW to knock off the bullying several times and he doesn't listen.
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Colin Powell calls it like it is

Powell endorses Obama again -

"You know, I voted for him in 2008 and I plan to stick with him in 2012, and I'll be voting for he and Vice President Joe Biden next month," he said on CBS' "This Morning."
Asked whether it was an endorsement, he said, "Yes."

Powell praised the president's handling of the economy and ending of the Iraq War.

"I think we ought to keep on the track we are on," he said.

Powell said he had the "utmost respect" for Mitt Romney but criticized his tax plan.

He said Romney's foreign policy was a "moving target." "One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Gov. Romney agreed with the president with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign."
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure where the whole 'murderer's motivations' question came from, either. I'm satisfied just to chalk it up to another of pw's non sequitors, fire off a response, and ride the ride as it goes.
Okay, maybe I need to spell this out for you both.

The VAST majority of people, on the Right as well as the Left, are in agreement with what Obama has done; made evident by Romney's "me-too" performance at the last debate.

You both, along with several others on this forum, are obviously way, way out of what most people in this country believe are correct motivations. I'm just trying to get at why that is.

So far, all you have offered is your usual scantimonious routine and Rani, her typical 'I don't care why I think the way I do, I am Rani' routine. It's boring.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
With this I agree with you. I have told PW to knock off the bullying several times and he doesn't listen.
We obviously have a different definition of what bullying is.

You know, I have never ganged up on you, Odin, when others have about some of what you have written - some of which even I would label as being way over the top.

I haven't, but I could start if you're feeling left out.
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Former Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed President Barack Obama for a second term Thursday.

"You know, I voted for him in 2008 and I plan to stick with him in 2012, and I'll be voting for he and Vice President Joe Biden next month," he said on CBS' "This Morning."

Asked whether it was an endorsement, he said, "Yes."

Powell praised the president's handling of the economy and ending of the Iraq War.

"I think we ought to keep on the track we are on," he said.

Powell said he had the "utmost respect" for Mitt Romney but criticized his tax plan.

He said Romney's foreign policy was a "moving target." "One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Gov. Romney agreed with the president with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign."

Powell, a Republican who served in President George W. Bush's first term, backed Obama in 2008. He was frequently mentioned as a potential Republican challenger against Bill Clinton in 1996, but decided against it.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#11372 at 10-25-2012 11:48 AM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
The VAST majority of people, on the Right as well as the Left, are in agreement with what Obama has done; made evident by Romney's "me-too" performance at the last debate.
So... because the two candidates that the ruling class has elected to allow the people to select from agree with each other... that means that the people agree with them, too?

See what I mean about you being our archetypal Reactionary Prophet?
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc ętre dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant ŕ moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce ętre dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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Post#11373 at 10-25-2012 12:18 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Seattleblue View Post
No "Playwrite", you truly enjoy trying to humiliate people and being abusive. Politics is just an excuse to engage in this behavior. Something is very wrong with you and I have no idea why people put up with your piss poor treatment, or even address your troll persona at all here.
It's simple. PW has a lot of solid knowledge; you can agree with him or not. On the other hand, he never suffers fools gladly, so be on your game. Justin, who is on his game most of the time, enjoys pestering PW, who returns the barbs in spades. I don't see this as anything more than it is, spirited, albeit snarky-testy, debate. If either resented it, he would withdraw.

If you want to play, understand the rules. Moderation on this board is very light ... and that suits most of the members. Attempts at more stingent moderation have been voted (or shouted) down every time someone has tried to impose it. Some have left because of this, but, on a whole, you get treated as you treat others (Silver Rule). We're just not up to Gold standard, and we may never be.
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Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







Post#11374 at 10-25-2012 12:35 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Thanks for the response, Rani.

After watching the debate, I believe that if these types of parties are going to actually make any headway, they'll need some better communicators. There just seems to be something missing for me, but I can't put my finger on it currently. The prescence of actual "manners" was definitely a plus for me.

Bottom Line: I hate to say it but, I don't think we're ready as a country for a third party, yet. And even if we were, the candidates have to up their game.

Prince
H-m-m-m. Good opinion, but but bad target (IMNSHO). We need much better third parties. When and if we get them, the candidates will follow.

As it stands today, the Greens and Libertarians should both be playing AAA ball. They aren't.
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Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







Post#11375 at 10-25-2012 12:37 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
H-m-m-m. Good opinion, but but bad target (IMNSHO). We need much better third parties. When and if we get them, the candidates will follow.

As it stands today, the Greens and Libertarians should both be playing AAA ball. They aren't.
The Green platform is good. But the candidates are usually not well-known or experienced in political office. Gary Johnson is though.
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