That you consider an insentient 1-month old embryo more important than a young women tells me everything I need to know about how you think of women.Originally Posted by JDG 66
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That you consider an insentient 1-month old embryo more important than a young women tells me everything I need to know about how you think of women.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
-That tells me everything I need to know about what you think of babies.
There is a thing called adoption, you know.
Your argument is a little like those in the 1850s who claimed that those who wanted to eliminate slavery hated white people.
I'm just curious if your pro-life stand applies to all babies. I thought I have read some of your posts where you appear hawkish in regards to the war on terrorism. Would the innocent people being killed by our weapons be considered in your pro-life belief? Or is it just American babies?-That tells me everything I need to know about what you think of babies.
There is a thing called adoption, you know.
Your argument is a little like those in the 1850s who claimed that those who wanted to eliminate slavery hated white people.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
An embryo isn't a baby.-That tells me everything I need to know about what you think of babies.
There is a thing called adoption, you know.
Your argument is a little like those in the 1850s who claimed that those who wanted to eliminate slavery hated white people.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
As George Carlin put it, you your are pre-born you are good, if you are preschool you are f*cked.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
The latest electoral map.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
...and...
-Semantics. The question is whether any fetus deserves protection, and if so, at what point.
-Nonsense. Wo's f**king pre-schoolers?
BTW, why do you hate fetuses?
-We do the best we can to avoid killing innocents. Sometimes the enemy does not cooperate, though. The best way to avoid killing innocents is to win. I've explained, that, but it frequently goes past you. looks like it did again.
Now, if you can't tell the difference between an accidental/unintentional killing of an innocent (say, by artillery or a drone strike) vs. the deliberate killing of a targeted innocent, then I suggest you think about it.
Personally, I'm not sure about 3 month old fetuses as human beings, but the Self-Proclaimed One-Eyed God of Wisdom seems to go at it with a little too much gusto.
Last edited by JDG 66; 10-27-2012 at 12:13 PM.
If we go into a neighborhood knowing there is a bad guy in one of the houses, then blow up the entire area around that house,you can bet we know that innocents will be killed. Or when anyone 17 or older is in the area of a suspected bad guy, they area also considered militants. When these innocents are killed, you can bet your bippy that we know they are innocent. Why else do you think we came up with the generic term of *collateral damage*? It takes the sting out of what is really knowing that we just killed innocent men, women and children.
Some life is just less important, isn't it?
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
From one of my friends:
Freedom
"We use the word all the time. We defend it. We promote it. We love it.
But what is it?
Each one of us has a very personal understanding of it's meaning.
For me, Freedom is not murdering innocent men, women and children in sovereign nations to keep me free. It is not maintaining a military budget that enforces austerity on the poor, the homeless, the needlessly sick. Freedom has nothing to do with having to choose between a lifetime of indentured servitude just to have the minimum requirements of life, a home, clothing, food, or choosing to have none of it.
It is not being told I have no option other than to play the game as dictated by a handful of billionaires. It is not having toys, baubles and beads made by slave labor for my benefit.
For me, there is no Freedom unless all are free. There is no justice unless all are held to justice."
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
From what I understand, the drone attacks are decreasing.
The Pelosi House passed a lot of great programs; they were mostly stopped in the Senate, thanks to all the years of Reagan/Bush that has pushed our country to the right already. Obama did not take our country to the right in those years. He got some good things passed, at least what he could get.Do we conveniently forget his first two years of a Democratic congress? A time when he could have made some headway instead of chasing Republicans, taking our country further to the right.
And if Romney wins, you will see this go up exponentially, along with everything else you disagree with.It's bad enough that Obama's Kill List is wrong -- wrong, wrong, wrong -- on its face. I know many of you won't admit it simply because it's Obama doing it, whereas if it were Bush, you'd be screaming bloody murder. But if you think this Kill List won't further inflame people and create new enemies, AND migrate to home turf to boot, then you really have your head in the sand. And when a president comes along who's even worse, who's even more rapacious at deciding just who is a terrorist -- including dissidents -- and "disposing" of them, you'll have Obama to thank.
- Lisa Simeone
-You clearly have no idea how many missions get scrubbed for just that reason. Your view of how we operate is cartoonish.
...no, they are considered possible militants or possible friendlies, or anything in between. They get questioned. So it goes. If they fight or try to escape, then they're considered to have hostile intent. Then they get killed. But if you act in a guilty fashion, you don't get the protection of "innocence."
-Again, we do the best we can. Some "Collateral Damage" falls within most interpretations of the "Proportionality" requirement of the jus in bello part of just war theory. The idea is it's better to end a war quickly than let it drag on, resulting in even more death and carnage. It's a long term over short term issue. If you disagree with it, that's your right, but you'll have to go argue with St. Augustine.
There's a world of difference between that and deliberate targeting of a victim, which brings us to:
-Apparently, you think a life is less important if it happens to be the product of a rape. How about incest? Or the crippled? Or the retarded? What about those with autism?
Last edited by JDG 66; 10-27-2012 at 01:33 PM.
And Obama would have handed him the tools to obliterate any country he wants without permission from congress. Not to mention the NDAA that will be increasingly dangerous in the hands of war hawks on steroids. This could have been avoided had we held Obama accountable instead of making excuses for him.
In our attempt to protect Obama, we have let him create monsters that will come back to bite us. He did not have the wisdom of foresight when he established programs that will one day be in the hands of an even more corrupt president.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
-We've had that since the late 1960s. The POTUS doesn't have to ask anyone to launch nukes, as far as I know.
FWIW.
We should have done that, but the left is too weak and the right is too strong in this country. I and many others spoke out and wrote to him about these things. NDAA has been ruled unconstitutional. Tell the president to back off from defending it. You can use the email facility that he himself has provided. http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/su...s-and-comments
Right now is the time to make sure that this more-corrupt president doesn't get in. Now, and any future election season too! Romney is dangerously close to winning right now. Democrats need to be held to the fire much more strongly. Republicans need to go home and stay there.In our attempt to protect Obama, we have let him create monsters that will come back to bite us. He did not have the wisdom of foresight when he established programs that will one day be in the hands of an even more corrupt president.
I'm talking about this:
In the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, Congress specifically declared, “Nothing in this section is intended to . . . expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for the Use of Military Force [of September 2001].”
Drone attacks also violate well-established principles of international law. A targeted killing is defined as the “intentional, premeditated, and deliberate use of lethal force . . . against a specific individual who is not in the physical custody of the perpetrator,” according to Philip Alston, former UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial, Summary, or Arbitrary Executions. Targeted or political assassinations – sometimes known as extra-judicial executions – run afoul of the Geneva Conventions, which include willful killing as a grave breach. Grave breaches of Geneva are punishable as war crimes under the U.S. War Crimes Act.
Christof Heyns, the current UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial, Summary, or Arbitrary Executions, expressed grave concern about the targeted killings, saying they may constitute war crimes. He called on the Obama administration to explain how its drone strikes comport with international law, specify the bases for decisions to kill rather than capture particular individuals, and whether the State in which the killing takes place has given consent. Heyns further asked for specification of the procedural safeguards in place, if any, to ensure in advance of drone killings that they comply with international law. He also wanted to know what measures the U.S. government takes after any such killing to ensure that its legal and factual analysis was accurate and, if not, the remedial measures it would take, including justice and reparations for victims and their families. Although Heyns’ predecessor made similar requests, Heyns said the United States has not provided a satisfactory response.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
There might be jobs, but they don't have any pay attached.
I can think of one country that solved its problem of unemployment by driving wages down even to sub-market levels. Because the regime is known for even worse, the system need not be named.
Romney/Ryan -- Profits first, people never.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Maybe it's just time to come clean and be done with it:
Everyone's a little bit racist...
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
After talking with ASB'65, I think that Hurricane Sandy might turn out to be our "October Surprise".
If Obama flounders (a la Katrina), he loses the election big time.
If he comes out looking rather good he might end up winning.
Either way, you can be sure both campaigns are likely planning on getting voters out to vote if push comes to shove.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
I have noticed that at work I tend to watch black customers more closely than other customers. There seems to be a deep-seated prejudice that blacks are inherently predisposed to impulsive anti-social criminality simply because of their race.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
My stepdad was very much on the Left and yet he still had bigoted attitudes towards Mexican-Americans.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Sadly there are still prejudices with anyone who isn't white. Even one of my best friend's husband, who is from India, has heard some terrible slurs meant for him to hear. Maybe it's the 4T mentality. Or possibly the conservative State where I live. At any rate, it's really disturbing.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
Oh yes.
Anyone who thinks that "we be 4T" means that an age of post racial rationalism is upon us is likely to be very disappointed over the next 10 to 15 years.
Real Clear has 11 toss-up states (others say only 9, not incl. PA and MI)
Obama is leading in 7 of them, tied in 2, and Romney leads in 2.
Ohio (18) 48.0 45.7 Obama +2.3 Toss Up
Florida (29) 47.1 48.9 Romney +1.8 Toss Up
Virginia (13) 47.8 47.8 Tie Toss Up
New Hampshire (4) 48.6 47.2 Obama +1.4 Toss Up
Wisconsin (10) 49.3 47.0 Obama +2.3 Toss Up
Michigan (16) 48.8 44.8 Obama +4.0 Toss Up
Pennsylvania (20) 49.5 44.8 Obama +4.7 Toss Up
North Carolina (15) 46.5 50.3 Romney +3.8 Toss Up
Iowa (6) 49.0 46.7 Obama +2.3 Toss Up
Colorado (9) 47.8 47.8 Tie Toss Up
Nevada (6) 50.0 47.6 Obama +2.4 Toss Up
That makes it 281-235, not including the ties.
I'm rooting for Obama
