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Post#11626 at 10-30-2012 08:55 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
That was a very sad and tragic attempt on a young life. It has been the only photo of a severely attacked child that our media has shown. That's because it flames the fires of consent for more war. Should America's media show the carnage of the innocents that we murder and maim, that would give us an entirely different perspective of our war on terror. Instead they are allowed to use this sweet innocent child as fuel for more US violence. Showing one side of the story is, in my opinion, propaganda.
Exactly. And that's what you're engaged in.
On this issue, you are two sides of the same coin. Blowing Other People to bits in response to Americans being blow to bits is has all the trappings of simple and frutiless vengence. That the American people seem to be calling for it doesn't make it right. You each see the injustice of only one side, but this is not about feelings or conscience ... or shouldn't be at least.

We should never have a reason to use extra-legal responses, but apparently we do. We live in a world where people hate and act on it, so there will be hate crimes committed against us. We have to decide how much risk we are wiling to take to avoid responding, and only respond to risks greater than that threshold. One of you says the threshold is zero. The other says it's infinite. Excuse me for thinkng neither is rational.
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Post#11627 at 10-30-2012 09:10 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
... I love "Magic pony-land"TM!

Prince
H-m-m-m. I see two grammer problems here:
  1. Quotation marks and the magic trademark are mutually exclusive. You can't trademark an implication.
  2. To qualify for Trademark status, Magic pony-land must be Magic Pony-Land. Only e. e. cummings gets to ignore that rule ... because he Trademarked it.


... but feel free to love Magic Pony-LandTM (BOLD is optional)
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Post#11628 at 10-30-2012 09:21 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Post#11629 at 10-30-2012 10:47 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Weave View Post
Im not surprised that you are divorced, given your "warm and sunny personality"......
I'm not divorced. I'm married to most incredible woman in the world. And that's not magic pony land or living in comic books.
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Post#11630 at 10-30-2012 10:49 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
From a response to Aramea.



But I am. I love "Magic pony-land"TM!

Prince
Most clueless do. I don't think you get a prize.
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Post#11631 at 10-30-2012 11:10 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by B Butler View Post
We (NYC) got slammed hard. Before we did, the Grey Lady put this out -

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/op...overnment.html

A Big Storm Requires Big Government

Most Americans have never heard of the National Response Coordination Center, but they’re lucky it exists on days of lethal winds and flood tides. The center is the war room of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, where officials gather to decide where rescuers should go, where drinking water should be shipped, and how to assist hospitals that have to evacuate.

Disaster coordination is one of the most vital functions of “big government,” which is why Mitt Romney wants to eliminate it. At a Republican primary debate last year, Mr. Romney was asked whether emergency management was a function that should be returned to the states. He not only agreed, he went further.

“Absolutely,” he said. “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.” Mr. Romney not only believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington, but that profit-making companies can do an even better job. He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt.

It’s an absurd notion, but it’s fully in line with decades of Republican resistance to federal emergency planning. FEMA, created by President Jimmy Carter, was elevated to cabinet rank in the Bill Clinton administration, but was then demoted by President George W. Bush, who neglected it, subsumed it into the Department of Homeland Security, and placed it in the control of political hacks. The disaster of Hurricane Katrina was just waiting to happen.

The agency was put back in working order by President Obama, but ideology still blinds Republicans to its value. Many don’t like the idea of free aid for poor people, or they think people should pay for their bad decisions, which this week includes living on the East Coast.

Over the last two years, Congressional Republicans have forced a 43 percent reduction in the primary FEMA grants that pay for disaster preparedness. Representatives Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor and other House Republicans have repeatedly tried to refuse FEMA’s budget requests when disasters are more expensive than predicted, or have demanded that other valuable programs be cut to pay for them. The Ryan budget, which Mr. Romney praised as “an excellent piece of work,” would result in severe cutbacks to the agency, as would the Republican-instigated sequester, which would cut disaster relief by 8.2 percent on top of earlier reductions.

Does Mr. Romney really believe that financially strapped states would do a better job than a properly functioning federal agency? Who would make decisions about where to send federal aid? Or perhaps there would be no federal aid, and every state would bear the burden of billions of dollars in damages. After Mr. Romney’s 2011 remarks recirculated on Monday, his nervous campaign announced that he does not want to abolish FEMA, though he still believes states should be in charge of emergency management. Those in Hurricane Sandy’s path are fortunate that, for now, that ideology has not replaced sound policy.
All one needs is to go through one of these mega-disasters to forever put aside the Romney/Ryan/Cantor/Ayn Rand magic pony land horseshit. Even if your this guy -

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...andy-response/

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie Praises President Obama for Sandy Response

“I have to say, the administration, the president, himself and FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate have been outstanding with us so far,” Christie said on Good Morning America. “We have a great partnership with them.”

Christie told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that Obama called him on Monday night around midnight to ask if there was anything else the federal government could do to help. Christie added that they worked together to move forward with a Major Disaster Declaration for New Jersey.

The Major Disaster Declaration provides funding for recovery efforts, including infrastructure projects, temporary housing, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property loss and assistance to individuals and businesses.

“He worked on that last night with me…offered any other assets that we needed to help,” Christie said. “I want to thank the president personally for his personal attention to this.”

Appearing on Fox News, Christie said the storm is bigger than the election.
“I have a job in New Jersey that is much bigger than presidential politics,” Gov. Chris Christie said on the show Fox & Friends. “I couldn’t care less about that.”
Any doubt what Christie would be saying if Sandy had completely missed New Jersey?

I'm planning to wonder down to the Lower Manhattan to see how many titans of the financial sector are pitching in today to clear the tunnels and streets to get the NY Stock Exchange up tomorrow. Or, at least how many of the worker bees are being paid by the titans. My guess? 0

How many have written a big check to the Romney campaign to help convince the sheeple to go against their own self interest? My guess? All of them.
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Maybe there's hope for this counttry

Follow-up on Christie - he doesn't give a damn about a photo-op for Mittens

Fox News co-host Steve Doocy wondered when Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney was going to get some of the same benefits from the hurricane with a photo op in disaster-stricken New Jersey towns.

"Over the last couple of months, you have appeared throughout the country, Governor, on behalf of Mitt Romney," Doocy remarked to Christie. "[W]e hear that perhaps Mr. Romney may do some storm-related events. Is there any possibility that Gov. Romney may go to New Jersey to tour some of the damage with you?"

"I have no idea, nor am I the least bit concerned or interested," Christie replied, immediately shutting down the idea. "I've got a job to do here in New Jersey that's much bigger than presidential politics and I could [sic] care less about any of that stuff."

"I have a job to do," he added. "I've got 2.4 million people out of power, I've got devastation on the shore, I've got floods in the northern part of my state. If you think right now I give a damn about presidential politics then you don't know me."
- poor Mittens; maybe he and Ryan can stage another pot washing photo-op in a studio somewhere.
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“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


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Post#11633 at 10-30-2012 11:28 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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you can't make this stuff up

Romney to hold storm relief event - in Ohio of all places.

Wow, what a surprise.



- what an a-hole
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
On this issue, you are two sides of the same coin. Blowing Other People to bits in response to Americans being blow to bits is has all the trappings of simple and frutiless vengence. That the American people seem to be calling for it doesn't make it right. You each see the injustice of only one side, but this is not about feelings or conscience ... or shouldn't be at least.

We should never have a reason to use extra-legal responses, but apparently we do. We live in a world where people hate and act on it, so there will be hate crimes committed against us. We have to decide how much risk we are wiling to take to avoid responding, and only respond to risks greater than that threshold. One of you says the threshold is zero. The other says it's infinite. Excuse me for thinkng neither is rational.
Am I correct in my interpretation of your post; peace activists should just silence themselves about the carnage we cause in other lands because that's just the way it is? If so, is it not rational for a person to speak up about the unnecessary mutilations of innocent human beings?

Throughout history, activists, those who actually see an injustice and hold it up for others to see, have made great strides in reducing and ending violence against others. We are sadly in a time when killings apparently are status quo.

It has been people who are willing to speak up for the abused and downtrodden that have made many positive changes in our world.

Maybe this 4 T is a sign of what MLK JR. referred to.

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." ..... Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967.




Total Drone Strikes under the Obama Administration: 292
Total reported killed: 2,562 – 3,325
Civilians reported killed: 474 – 881
Children reported killed: 176

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
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Post#11635 at 10-30-2012 11:31 AM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
If you live in a place where your vote doesn't matter, a protest vote is a good option. If, on the other hand, your vote can actually change things, you need to consider which of the two real options (i.e. the ones that can win) you fear more.

The next President gets at least one and probably two SCOTUS appointments. Romney has already decided on Robert Bork clones. Are you OK with that?
Just as an FYI, Missouri is probably not on the list of swing states this year, so Deb has the option to vote third party that you and I don't have.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I'm not divorced. I'm married to most incredible woman in the world. And that's not magic pony land or living in comic books.
She must be incredible if she has to put up with you.....are you drugging her food?

I love getting lectured on maturity by a 60 something year old man who hurls personal insults, invective and profanity at others for simply having the temerity to disagree. Of course you perfectly fit the mold of a far left Boomer who can only try to demonize and vilify those who you view as the "enemy"...

As far as magic pony land goes, perhaps thats where you are residing regarding Benghazi. Considering the attack went on for 7 hours and there were several requests for assistance and assets in the area who were told several times to "stand down". The CIA has said the order didnt come from them so that leaves the White House. There are also emails that show they knew almost immediately this was a terrorist attack. Where was the help for 7 hours? An AC130 specter was available and targets were being painted by laser finder during the attack futily waiting for air support. Of course I wouldnt expect you to know this since you rely on the "mainstream" media for your info. You probably think this still had something to do a video....







Post#11637 at 10-30-2012 01:59 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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If you don't want further concentration of wealth and power in this country, and more damage to our planet, go vote against Rob-me and the Republi-con$. If you want to keep our progress on health care, stopping climate change, improving education opportunity, and recovery in unemployment and housing, vote against Rob-me and the Republi-con$.
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Quote Originally Posted by Weave View Post
I love getting lectured on maturity by a 60 something year old man who hurls personal insults, invective and profanity at others for simply having the temerity to disagree.
It's fun, eh?

I like Christie; I'm glad he knows what his job is now. But it's too bad he's not on our side politically.
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Post#11639 at 10-30-2012 02:25 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
H-m-m-m. I see two grammer problems here:
  1. Quotation marks and the magic trademark are mutually exclusive. You can't trademark an implication.
  2. To qualify for Trademark status, Magic pony-land must be Magic Pony-Land. Only e. e. cummings gets to ignore that rule ... because he Trademarked it.


... but feel free to love Magic Pony-LandTM (BOLD is optional)
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
A grammer problem is what you have if you can't stand the mother of one of your parents.
Not exclusively that. It could just mean that you like her, but misplaced her.
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Post#11641 at 10-30-2012 03:22 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
Am I correct in my interpretation of your post; peace activists should just silence themselves about the carnage we cause in other lands because that's just the way it is? If so, is it not rational for a person to speak up about the unnecessary mutilations of innocent human beings?

Throughout history, activists, those who actually see an injustice and hold it up for others to see, have made great strides in reducing and ending violence against others. We are sadly in a time when killings apparently are status quo.

It has been people who are willing to speak up for the abused and downtrodden that have made many positive changes in our world.

Maybe this 4 T is a sign of what MLK JR. referred to.

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." ..... Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967.


Total Drone Strikes under the Obama Administration: 292
Total reported killed: 2,562 – 3,325
Civilians reported killed: 474 – 881
Children reported killed: 176

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
Speak always, act when possible. I assume you are, as Jenny noted, voting in Missouri. If so then raising hell is approriate, ansd so is a protest vote. I have less freedom of movement.

FWIW, I was there for the Vietnam protests, and guess what? We won the battles and lost the war. Yes, we got them to end the war, but the Silent Majority got a huge boost, morphed into the RW Evangelical movement, and still carries water for the GOP ... after 40 years.

Ignore the Law of Unintended Consequences at you own peril.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
It's fun, eh?

I like Christie; I'm glad he knows what his job is now. But it's too bad he's not on our side politically.
Except that Chris Christie is only a +50-something
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Quote Originally Posted by Weave View Post
..., perhaps thats where you are residing regarding Benghazi. Considering the attack went on for 7 hours and there were several requests for assistance and assets in the area who were told several times to "stand down". The CIA has said the order didnt come from them so that leaves the White House. There are also emails that show they knew almost immediately this was a terrorist attack. Where was the help for 7 hours? An AC130 specter was available and targets were being painted by laser finder during the attack futily waiting for air support. Of course I wouldnt expect you to know this since you rely on the "mainstream" media for your info. You probably think this still had something to do a video....
... and I'm sure your information is 100% rock solid, because it came from .... well, somewhere.

Look, I doubt you appreciate the complexity of mounting a response in an area the size of a US Consolate. Have you ever had to do anyting of the sort yourself? Yes ... no? I've had the luck to be near a problem like that, but far enough away to not be directly involved. There was a 4-hour period that elapsed between the time the USS Pueblo was first shadowed and finally attacked that a response could have been ordered. Aircraft were close, and, unlike the area in and around the Bengazi consolate, the threat of collateral damage was minimal. No response came. It didn't come the previous year for the USS Liberty, either, though I have no direct knowledge of that. These decisions were made at the political level for political reasons. That's not unusual.

It's part of the cost of being there, and yes, it sucks. No, I don't claim any special knowledge of the inner workings, jut a bit about the outside I witnesssed personally
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Speak always, act when possible. I assume you are, as Jenny noted, voting in Missouri. If so then raising hell is approriate, ansd so is a protest vote. I have less freedom of movement.

FWIW, I was there for the Vietnam protests, and guess what? We won the battles and lost the war. Yes, we got them to end the war, but the Silent Majority got a huge boost, morphed into the RW Evangelical movement, and still carries water for the GOP ... after 40 years.

Ignore the Law of Unintended Consequences at you own peril.
Yes, I do live in Missouri.

We are never guaranteed success in that with which we protest. But protest in the face of injustice is still crucial, especially to the ones who are suffering.

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Innumeracy is a commonplace trait among the Hard Right. They can't accept that the best model for the Presidential election is that five states essentially decide this election (CO, FL, NC, OH, and VA and the combination of IA and WI) and that they are different enough and scattered enough that as pure tossups, all of which decide the election on their own, the chance of the election going to President Obama is about 94%.

Romney must win Florida to not lose. If he loses Ohio, he has to win every other state. Iowa and Wisconsin are going to vote together, so the probabilistic model that I use 'exchanges' that combination for 'Michigan' which has 16 electoral votes as do Iowa and Wisconsin combined.

I get this result through the calculations of a reliable source. I don't like to show calculations here.

Probability of Reaching 270
Democrats 94%
Republicans 6%
Neither (Tie) < 1%

http://www.270towin.com/2012_electio....php?mapid=YpU

Note that this model substitutes Michigan for the combination of Iowa and Wisconsin. Sure, those two went different ways in 2004 -- by less than 12,000 votes each from absolute ties.

That's no mistake on my part. I try to keep the model reduced to 'independent events'. Letting "Michigan" serve as a surrogate for "Iowa and Wisconsin together" due to the same number of electoral votes, Romney absolutely must win Florida... and either three of CO, NC, OH, and VA or the combination of IA and WI and two of CO, NC, OH, and VA. It is now impossible for Mitt Romney to campaign effectively in all of the states in question.

94-6. Those are long odds. Entrepreneurs in the gambling industry get rich off the mathematical ignorance of their customers who trivialize losses and exaggerate the likelihood of winning. I should know. I am in Michigan, one of the biggest states for gambling. When the political ads are over on November 7 the casinos will advertise their jackpots.

But-but-but... President Obama is unelectable because he has shown himself completely unacceptable! Nobody that I know could ever vote for a Muslim, Nazi Marxist! (Of course such is a contradiction -- Islam, Nazism, and Marxism are mortal enemies, but who needs logic when Barack Obama is simply evil).
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According to Gallup, Romney leads Obama with early voters 52-45%

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ting-advantage

At this point in 2008, Obama was wiping the floor with McCain....







Post#11647 at 10-30-2012 06:54 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Weave View Post
According to Gallup, Romney leads Obama with early voters 52-45%

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ting-advantage

At this point in 2008, Obama was wiping the floor with McCain....
Brietbart -- less reliable than supermarket tabloids and should be as disreputable.
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Post#11648 at 10-30-2012 07:37 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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Scariest lines of the 2012 campaign. BOO!

From the nonpartisan PolitiFact:

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Says Paul Ryan’s budget plan "ends Medicare."

Rob Zerban, Thursday, October 4th, 2012.
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Says Mitt Romney plans to "fire" Big Bird.

Barack Obama, Monday, October 8th, 2012.
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Says "Barack Obama and his team" are "socialists in every respect of the word."

Mark Neumann, Wednesday, June 20th, 2012.
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Says Barack Obama is a socialist.

Roger Williams, Tuesday, June 5th, 2012.
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President Barack Obama is "ending Medicare as we know it."

Mitt Romney, Monday, March 12th, 2012.
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"This (Independent Payment Advisory Board) board can ration care and deny certain Medicare treatments so Washington can fund more wasteful spending."

Pat Boone, Monday, March 12th, 2012.
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Says President Barack Obama "is a socialist."

Rick Perry, Sunday, January 8th, 2012.
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Post#11649 at 10-30-2012 08:21 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
A grammer problem is what you have if you can't stand the mother of one of your parents.
Someone has a spelling problem.
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Post#11650 at 10-30-2012 08:24 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by B Butler View Post
Well-see! He said he wants to turn over FEMA to the states and private charities as much as possible. We know that states can't afford relief and must balance their budgets, unlike Uncle Sam who can issue money with keystrokes. The bottom line, elect Romney, and he and his team won't be there for you when the next one hits, whatever it is. And since they don't want to do anything about global warming either, you'll see far more of these next ones in the coming years if he and his Republican hencemen win the elections.
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