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Post#11726 at 11-01-2012 03:36 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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81 people dead from Superstorm Sandy. Millions cut off from food, water and power. Thousands of homes and businesses destroyed; incomes disrupted. Those of you like seattleblue who think that deaths from American bombs are important, but deaths from superstorms are not, need to consider that our inaction on climate change is the direct cause of this disaster and these deaths. Storms worldwide have gotten more severe, and sea levels have risen, as a result of our inaction, according to science. You don't have to disbelieve in or dismiss religion in order to understand that science gives us facts about such things. And it is the Republicans in congress and in state governments who are blocking action on climate change. I assume you all have read the scorecard I posted, and the questionnaires I posted on which presidential candidates you agree with. See for yourself. The difference between the two major parties, especially in congress and even between the presidential candidates on this issue is a vast gulf, almost 100 to zero. With a great election a week away, it is the time to consider how your vote and your activism makes a difference on this most-vital issue of our time.
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Post#11727 at 11-01-2012 03:38 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I dunno man, it's really fascinating to see the images of me (and others) that you build up in that warped little mind of yours.
Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.
But if you're going to place bets ... at least pay up!
Any images I have of you and Justin are just based on what you have typed on this forum.

Live by the keyboard and get 'imaged' by the keyboard.

Beside, you could always send the photos I requested to clear this whole thing up.
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Post#11728 at 11-01-2012 03:39 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
81 people dead from Superstorm Sandy. Millions cut off from food, water and power. Thousands of homes and businesses destroyed; incomes disrupted. Those of you like seattleblue who think that deaths from American bombs are important, but deaths from superstorms are not, need to consider that our inaction on climate change is the direct cause of this disaster and these deaths. Storms worldwide have gotten more severe, and sea levels have risen, as a result of our inaction, according to science. You don't have to disbelieve in or dismiss religion in order to understand that science gives us facts about such things. And it is the Republicans in congress and in state governments who are blocking action on climate change. I assume you all have read the scorecard I posted, and the questionnaires I posted on which presidential candidates you agree with. See for yourself. The difference between the two major parties, especially in congress and even between the presidential candidates on this issue is a vast gulf, almost 100 to zero. With a great election a week away, it is the time to consider how your vote and your activism makes a difference on this most-vital issue of our time.
Did you see my Bloomberg post?

Wow, he sure considered!
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#11729 at 11-01-2012 03:42 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I dunno man, it's really fascinating to see the images of me (and others) that you build up in that warped little mind of yours.
Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.
But if you're going to place bets ... at least pay up!
Rather than clarify your image against its portrayals by a playwrite, perhaps you'd care to speak to the issue he is actually raising. What is to be done about climate change? How will your vote impact this issue?
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Post#11730 at 11-01-2012 03:53 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Any images I have of you and Justin are just based on what you have typed on this forum.
Heh. If only that were the case. Oftentimes, though, it seems based on what you write that a large part of the image you have (of me at least) comes from your own filling-in whatever blanks there might actually be, or that you decide to create by selectively ignoring, disregarding, or misreading what I've written here. From your own imagination, I must assume.
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Post#11731 at 11-01-2012 03:59 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Heh. If only that were the case. Oftentimes, though, it seems based on what you write that a large part of the image you have (of me at least) comes from your own filling-in whatever blanks there might actually be, or that you decide to create by selectively ignoring, disregarding, or misreading what I've written here. From your own imagination, I must assume.
If you're asking if I want your photo: no, not really.

Now Rani, that's different.

"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#11732 at 11-01-2012 04:00 PM by B Butler [at joined Nov 2011 #posts 2,329]
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Business as usual...

Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Heh. If only that were the case. Oftentimes, though, it seems based on what you write that a large part of the image you have (of me at least) comes from your own filling-in whatever blanks there might actually be, or that you decide to create by selectively ignoring, disregarding, or misreading what I've written here. From your own imagination, I must assume.
There's a lot of that going on in both directions. For example, do you really think I'm a communist?
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. JFK







Post#11733 at 11-01-2012 04:17 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Here I am:

I think you just got the males on this list to focus their attention on a third party.
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Post#11734 at 11-01-2012 04:17 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Combining for the sake of efficiency
Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
If you're asking if I want your photo: no, not really.
Hmmm... not really what I was getting at, but at least it's along a direction identifiable as the intersection of a pair of planes in the same phase-space in which I was talking. Let's call that an auspicious start, eh?

Quote Originally Posted by B Butler View Post
There's a lot of that going on in both directions. For example, do you really think I'm a communist?
Huhwut? I'm not a fan of throwing around historical terms unless I'm referring to the actual things those terms are about. You, I've managed to peg pretty well as a tool-fetishist. As far as a communist, though.... maybe you're thinking of another poster with a J in their name? There's that one who likes to toss around buzzwords left and right. He even called me a commie at one point.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc tre dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce tre dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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Post#11735 at 11-01-2012 04:26 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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It's not okay to vote 3rd party -

- if you are a Progressive!

If Obama wins the election by way of the Electoral College but Romney wins the popular vote (more likely now with NY and NJ having lower turnout due to Sandy), the Right wingnut world is already working the meme of Obama having no "mandate" and that he better move to his Right. So if you think Obama is too far to the Right already, you're basically going to force him (or give him an excuse or whatever you want to call it) to move even further away from you! And it will be for another 4 years!

You might say that your 3rd party vote will send a signal otherwise, but remember, you're in that group with Libertarian wing nuts that are farther to the Right than Romney/Ryan/Cantor it will appear as a wash and thats assuming anyone is going to pay the slightest attention to it.

Most , by far, won't pay attention. The meme will be Romney beat Obama in the popular vote so Obama better do what McConnell and Boehner tell him to do. Remember them? Theyve been keeping a low profile for obvious reason, but after the election, they are back, BIG TIME. How big depends on this key question of "mandate" for Obama.

And what is the agenda that McConnell/Boehner have that they will push Obama on? To screw the living shit out of every value and ideal that you supposedly hold dear from having the rich pay their fair share to avoiding needless wars.

So, if you rather live in magic pony land than forward your supposed values and ideals, go ahead and vote 3rd party with the excuse that you are not in a battleground state. That would clearly show you really don't give a shit about those values and ideals; you just like to appear and/or feel holier-than-thou. You'll get what you deserve.

Problem is, I get it too.
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#11736 at 11-01-2012 04:26 PM by Kurt Horner [at joined Oct 2001 #posts 1,656]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
If, as I suspect, you are wrong, will be willing to say so? I'll be happy to take a beating if I'm wrong ... and I'm merely counting on Nate Silver's superior knowledge of the field. Still, if my judgement is faulty, I'll say so ..
Don't hold your breath. It is far more likely that JPT will come up with another conspiracy theory, this time about vote rigging.

Romney can win, but the odds are against him.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Horner View Post
Don't hold your breath. It is far more likely that JPT will come up with another conspiracy theory, this time about vote rigging.

Romney can win, but the odds are against him.
I think it will be along the lines of -

"Those legislating-from-the-bench judges didn't let us suppress the vote enough!"
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"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#11738 at 11-01-2012 04:42 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Here I am:

I knew it!

Okay, I'm going all in Libertarin now!!!

Hubba-hubba.

Oh crap, I just set off my MedAlert Braclet. I'm gonna have some explaining to do when the responders get here.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#11739 at 11-01-2012 04:44 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Oh goodie ... so third-party votes in non-battleground states WILL make a difference!
Thanks playdude, you just made my day.
Hey, that's not fair.

Besides, where is Gary going to find another hot chick like you???
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Combining for the sake of efficiencyHmmm... not really what I was getting at, but at least it's along a direction identifiable as the intersection of a pair of planes in the same phase-space in which I was talking. Let's call that an auspicious start, eh?
Thanks, but I still don't want your photograph.

I'm still ah, ah, ah, viewing the one of Rani.

Responders better arrive quickly!

Well, I hope not too quickly.
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I knew it!

Okay, I'm going all in Libertarin now!!!

Hubba-hubba.

Oh crap, I just set off my MedAlert Braclet. I'm gonna have some explaining to do when the responders get here.
I think I'll drop an idea into the Green Party suggestion box on how to sway male voters. LOL!
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Thanks, but I still don't want your photograph.

I'm still ah, ah, ah, viewing the one of Rani.

Responders better arrive quickly!

Well, I hope not too quickly.
From the looks of it, shouldn't take too long ...







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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Mayor Bloomberg (R) just endorsed Obama. And based on his concern for climate change!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...te-change.html

Holy crap, first the Christie bro-mance and now Bloomberg going over. What next, JPT sending a check to Planned Parenthood????

Could these things be more telling than any polls in these last few days before the election?

Maybe google "Bloomberg" "Christie" "rats leaving the sinking ship" to see if heads are exploding?

What's really funny about this is that yesterday the right wingnut bloggers were all orgasmic about Bloomberg supposedly turning Obama down for a visit to the Big Apple to survey the damage.

Bloomberg and/or Christie in 2016? Whoa
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tired of Bronco Bamma and Mitt Romney

One thing I think we can all agree on is to agree with little Abbey



5 days to go!
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
One thing I think we can all agree on is to agree with little Abbey



5 days to go!
LOL, I saw that this morning. Suck it up crybaby, this is how America rolls these days ...







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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Thanks, but I still don't want your photograph.

I'm still ah, ah, ah, viewing the one of Rani.

Responders better arrive quickly!

Well, I hope not too quickly.
To the rescue!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
To the rescue!!!
Whoa, that's having the opposite effect than what I think you intended.

That lady is hot!!!

That's not a drawing of you is it?

Wow, between you and Rani, I might not make it to election day! Or, is that the plan? Totally unfair, but (typical guy) I don't care!
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#11748 at 11-01-2012 07:11 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
The issue was climate change? I thought it was the difference between a tornado watch and a LIFE-THREATENING EMERGENCY.
But if you want to change the subject ... my vote will do nothing to impact climate change. Other things that I do in my life definitely will, and already have.
Good, but your vote does matter, even if not very much. Also, people can add to the impact of their vote by campaigning or donating.

What government does, or doesn't do, makes a difference. Or have I not made that point before? (it seems you still don't get it....)

How a vote for which candidate might matter, is another question......
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
- if you are a Progressive!

If Obama wins the election by way of the Electoral College but Romney wins the popular vote (more likely now with NY and NJ having lower turnout due to Sandy), the Right wingnut world is already working the meme of Obama having no "mandate" and that he better move to his Right. So if you think Obama is too far to the Right already, you're basically going to force him (or give him an excuse or whatever you want to call it) to move even further away from you! And it will be for another 4 years!
It's something to consider that people in safe blue states might need to make up lost votes in the East.
You might say that your 3rd party vote will send a signal otherwise, but remember, you're in that group with Libertarian wing nuts that are farther to the Right than Romney/Ryan/Cantor it will appear as a wash and thats assuming anyone is going to pay the slightest attention to it.
What about us Green wingnuts?

Actually, as far as I can tell from those questionnaires, Johnson is in the middle to middle-right, and Romney is shockingly right-wing on all of them. Take one and see. Here's the one I also posted on my facebook page

Doing it more than once can be fun too! My latest results showed a decline in both Obama's and Romney's percentage:
Stein 95%, Anderson 78%, Obama 63%, Johnson 58%, Goode 7%, Romney 3%

Most, by far, won't pay attention. The meme will be Romney beat Obama in the popular vote so Obama better do what McConnell and Boehner tell him to do. Remember them? Theyve been keeping a low profile for obvious reason, but after the election, they are back, BIG TIME. How big depends on this key question of "mandate" for Obama.
Good point. A better one is that we may want to vote Democratic in the congressional and many other races in order to help evict Boehner and other Republicans from their posts.
And what is the agenda that McConnell/Boehner have that they will push Obama on? To screw the living shit out of every value and ideal that you supposedly hold dear from having the rich pay their fair share to avoiding needless wars.

So, if you rather live in magic pony land than forward your supposed values and ideals, go ahead and vote 3rd party with the excuse that you are not in a battleground state. That would clearly show you really don't give a shit about those values and ideals; you just like to appear and/or feel holier-than-thou. You'll get what you deserve.

Problem is, I get it too.
The other side of the coin is that a vote for a 3rd party adds to the total of the recorded 3rd party vote more noticeably than a vote for a major-party vote adds to theirs. If you really don't think either candidate represents your ideals, values and perceptions, it can be an important statement to make. I'm not saying that your side of the coin is not also worth considering. I haven't finally decided which way to go, except of course for me it would be Stein and not Johnson or any write-in candidate.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Whoa, that's having the opposite effect than what I think you intended.

That lady is hot!!!

That's not a drawing of you is it?

Wow, between you and Rani, I might not make it to election day! Or, is that the plan? Totally unfair, but (typical guy) I don't care!
Well, The Rani is hotter (although of course it's not really her), but maybe someone should tell the major candidates that sex sells, before Johnson steals away too many (mostly, but not only, male) votes from them!
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