Well said Rani!Originally Posted by The Rani
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Well said Rani!
Here's one scenario, but I doubt it would ever happen.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
I voted a hour ago!
Oh, and a fun fact: Republicans have not won a US presidential election without a Bush or Nixon on the ticket since 1928.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Yeah, I imagine the candidate would have to come from Alabama!
I am considering my vote carefully, with all the factors. But sometimes when you are undecided, I think a coin or the cards can show how you really feel, subconsciously. At least, as a card reader, I have some experience that this might be true. So I ran the Election USA board game I invented some years ago, play-testing it again by myself, pitting a liberal 3rd party candidate against a moderate Democrat incumbent. The liberal 3rd party candidate won, with CA providing the winning margin in the electoral college. So, that's a factor in my vote.
If Bush is actually the mastermind rather than the puppet... well, that explains why the whole movement seems a little off.
It makes sense, though. The Walker/Bush family money is really, really old and it has never had a problem sustaining itself through questionable means like slavery or investing in Nazis.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
Also, Nixon was Prescott Bush's buddy.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
How was the line for you?
I was a "poll greeter", standing outside my precinct voting area, handing out Democratic sample ballots for Arlington Virginia, from 5:40 am until 8:00 am (the polls opened at 6:00 am) before going to work. The folks who were leaving the voting place at around 7:30 were reporting having waited up to 90 minutes to vote.
I voted "absentee" back in late September. In Virginia, there is no early voting, but you can vote in person absentee if you can think up a reason why you will be outside your jurisdiction on election day.
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
NC NAACP claims voter intimidation at polls across the state
Posted on: 12:04 am, November 6, 2012, by Brandon Jones, updated on: 12:05am, November 6, 2012
http://myfox8.com/2012/11/06/nc-naac...oss-the-state/GREENSBORO, N.C. — The North Carolina NAACP says it has received more than 600 phone calls about voter intimidation across North Carolina including some instances in the Piedmont.
The organization held a rally at the courthouse in downtown Greensboro Monday. The group claims North Carolina had the worse cases of voter intimidation.
The NAACP said it sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper requesting security at polling locations and a report detailing all events of voter intimidation during early voting and on Election Day.
“When you pull something like this up a trailer hanging nooses… That’s a form of voter intimidation,” said NC NAACP President Rev. William Barber. “I never thought in 2012 we would see what we are seeing now.”
This is a FoX TV affiliate.
...Someone needs to go to a federal prison for this extreme display of racism or to a state pen in case it is staged.
Kowards, Kreeps, and Killers back at work? I certainly hope not.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I din't have much of a line, I was in and out in about a half hour.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Thank god it's over today, I feel like people use politics as an excuse to take their anger out on you. Fuck politics.
Boy, some of these red and purple states sure make it hard to exercize your right to vote. Intimidation in NC? It's hard to figure why anyone tolerates such behavior.
Polarity
As far as I can tell, they figure it's OK so long as it is their people intimidating the other people.
See the video in this article were a selection for Obama at the booth changes it to Romney:
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machi...ne-for-romney/
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
In the last 24 hours, Google has identified 136,000 new web pages referencing election fraud. That doesn't include forums like this one that have robots.txt blocked off, or any of the many web forums and Facebook pages that require some sort of registration to access.
We've got experimental - and untested - software patches for machines in Ohio, a thousand or more college residents in NC with no ballots let alone polling places, eight hour lines in Florida, poll workers in multiple states trying to slip in pre-filled ballots...
Aren't the elections just great for affirming our faith in the system?
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
Agreed.In the last 24 hours, Google has identified 136,000 new web pages referencing election fraud. That doesn't include forums like this one that have robots.txt blocked off, or any of the many web forums and Facebook pages that require some sort of registration to access.
We've got experimental - and untested - software patches for machines in Ohio, a thousand or more college residents in NC with no ballots let alone polling places, eight hour lines in Florida, poll workers in multiple states trying to slip in pre-filled ballots...
Aren't the elections just great for affirming our faith in the system?
And for the record it is usually not my personal policy to promote Fox and MSNBC articles. I'm just showing this because it actually has a video for evidence.
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
I voted at lunch.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
As the great football coach Vince Lombardi put it, "Winning isn't everything -- it's the only thing".
But Vince Lombardi had his limitations. He may have had no practical limits upon intensity of play and completeness of preparation except the point of non-productive results... but there is no evidence that he ever went to the extreme of deeds that would make a travesty of the game. He did not have thugs go to the hotel of the opposing team and beat them up. He did not bribe referees. He did not drug the water supply of the opposing team. He clearly recognized the value of institutions (a very GI trait not so well defined in Boomers and Generation X) and knew that those institutions made his good life possible. Winning is not worth sullying the objective of winning.
In American politics we have many who want to win and reshape America irrespective of the damage to our institutions. Such people have their economic, religious, and military/diplomatic agendas and do not care how many people are impoverished, harmed, or even killed so long as they get their way. They believe that normal decencies of politics, the rules of logic, and checks and balances in government are impediments to what they want -- quite possibly a repressive oligarchy that lavishes a few and imposes suffering on the rest of us.
Strong beliefs are the norm in this Forum, and nobody is at fault for the intensity of one's beliefs. Strong beliefs do not justify the perversion of institutions, corruption of process, or outright violence. We have big problems to solve, and they are best solved even-handed. Political leadership that proclaims "My way or the highway" all the time will get poor solutions -- or solutions with bigger peril than the original peril.
...the way to deal with the ugly incident (nooses on display) is to vote contrary to the intentions of those who try to intimidate voters.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Here's a drug induced prediction for you.
Hallucinating Peruvian Shamans Predict the Election Winner
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._jcr%3AcontentFeel free to doubt the shamans' drug-fueled predictive powers all you want (and we obviously do), but keep in mind they've offered about as much of a detailed explanation of their methodology as some political pundits who are covering this race professionally. They also have much less of a stake in the outcome.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
If you want to follow the "purple states" official election results webpages, here's some links:
PA - http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
VA - https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.g...cial/1_s.shtml
NC - http://results.enr.clarityelections....n/summary.html
FL - http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
OH - http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrp...E:Statewide,PR
WI - http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/results
MI - http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/12GEN/
NV - http://www.silverstateelection.com/
CO - http://results.enr.clarityelections....n/summary.html
NH - http://sos.nh.gov/2012ElectionInfo.aspx
IA - http://sos.iowa.gov/elections/results/index.html#11
I'll be coloring in maps by county as the results come in.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Exit polls are starting to leak out. Left-leaning sites are advising people not to pay attention to them. For one thing, 60% say the #1 issue for them is the economy...
EDIT- Uh oh. From CNN:
If you're doing the math, that's 48% who say they're satisfied or enthusiastic about the Obama administration, 50% who say they're dissatisfied or angry about it. In Ohio.Exit polls show that 37% of voters in Ohio think that economic conditions in the United States are getting better, while 33% say they’re getting worse. Twenty nine percent say conditions are staying the same.
When asked about their opinion of the Obama administration, 27% say they are dissatisfied and 23% say they are angry. On the other hand, 24% hold an enthusiastic view and 24% feel satisfied.
Exit polls have typically favored the Democrats, like other public opinion polls. It happened in 2004 when the Democrats thought Kerry had won. If the exit polls are favorable to Romney, chances are he won.
Last edited by JustPassingThrough; 11-06-2012 at 07:32 PM.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987
I recommend a good bottle of whiskey or rum for such times. I tend to not watch television on election nights as I don't generally like to suffer through the ceaseless bleats of the steaming herd of political livestock chewing on cuds made of fresh, green exit polls. That and I really, truly don't care.I just saw on another channel that the Romney campaign thinks they lost Ohio. Don't know why.
But they also say the Obama campaign is not happy about the exit polls nationally.
This is a lot of fun to watch when you really don't care who wins.
The lady friend does though which means it will be on. I purchased a good bottle of rum to get us both through the night.
Well, with 6% of the vote in, Romney is leading in VA by 20 points. Those are undoubtedly Republican-leaning areas that have reported, but that's a huge margin for Obama to overcome, and 6% is a significant amount of the total vote. Nationally, so far it's Romney 50.1%, Obama 48.9%.
"I see you got your fist out, say your peace and get out. Yeah I get the gist of it, but it's alright." - Jerry Garcia, 1987
Yea.. going by county-level reports also puts Obama ahead by 15 in NC.
I'm going to take a nap before sitting down with a big dinner to figure out what happened.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
