Originally Posted by The Rani

The problem is that you (and many others) rely on politicians to improve things. If you want to see things improve, improve something.

An M.D. friend of mine (Obama supporter) just commented on fb that we will now have health insurance for all, and a huge shortage of MDs/PAs/RNs.
Someone asked "is that good or bad?"
I guess we'll find out.

Nope. Politicians can't improve things, but they can definitely ruin them. If you think I rely on politicians to improve things, you know nothing about my view of the world.

Obama in now ahead in VA, FL, NV, and CO.

Originally Posted by JDFP

Well, I certainly agree with you my friend, but the man has no mandate.

Oh, bullshit.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Exit polls are starting to leak out. Left-leaning sites are advising people not to pay attention to them. For one thing, 60% say the #1 issue for them is the economy...

EDIT- Uh oh. From CNN:



If you're doing the math, that's 48% who say they're satisfied or enthusiastic about the Obama administration, 50% who say they're dissatisfied or angry about it. In Ohio.

Exit polls have typically favored the Democrats, like other public opinion polls. It happened in 2004 when the Democrats thought Kerry had won. If the exit polls are favorable to Romney, chances are he won.

It's not only about the crazy "unskewing" of polls by you and the rest of the Right over that last month.

It's more about thinking a candidate that says F-off to 1/2 the population is going to win a national election.

It's also thinking you can tell women, a majority of the electorate, that they are incapable of making their own moral decisions about their own bodies.

It's also thinking you can say F-off to the fastest growing part of the electorate, the Hispanics.

It's also about thinking people would be so pissed off at the tow truck driver for not moving fast enough that they would give the keys back to the drunken a-holes that drove us off into the ditch in the first place.

That and so much more.

I've been very quiet in responding to your nonsense ever since that first debate. Just decided to let you have as much of this as you needed -



- hope you have enough.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

The problem is that where we were already sucked. The fact that it wasn't as bad as it theoretically could be (if the Democrats had won the House) is pretty thin gruel as far as consolation goes. The economy is not going to improve, and the country is going to be more divided, not less. S&H's prediction about Xers getting screwed in every stage of life is looking pretty accurate.

The big distinction is that Reagan could work with Tip O'Neill. Reagan could converse with Tip O'Neill to accomplish things. O'Neill may have been woefully wrong on his ideology - but the man put the country before his politics. The distinction today is between Obama and Boehner which is a far greater rift from Reagan and O'Neill because O'Neill and Reagan were friends even if they disagreed (the old saying is that before 6PM they were bitter rivals but after 6PM they were friends). I can't picture Obama and Boehner going out for drinks and "hanging" out as friends. And this serves as a great detriment to this nation. If Obama wants to accomplish anything in his second term he must become a centrist as Clinton did in his second term. Otherwise, we will grow closer to the cold front of politics as we have had the last few years with not a damn thing accomplished. And that will serve as a major hindrance to our nation.

j.p.

Originally Posted by JDFP

It's absolutely nothing to fret about. The Republicans still control the House (and picked up a few seats at that). Absolutely nothing will be accomplished by this lame duck president over the next few years. And I seriously doubt anything will be "accomplished" (the word is used argumentatively) after 2014 because we will still hold control of Congress. So, let the liberals bask in their win tonight - John Boehner still holds the hands of Obama under police cuffs. Good luck to Obama on accomplishing anything he seeks to do in the further downfall of our nation. It won't happen. Not a bill put before Congress will pass before we have a chance to circumvent it for the betterment of our nation. In other words, absolutely nothing has changed tonight but a further attempt of the degradation of our nation. For the next two years, Obama will be as "effective" as the last two years. In other words - this nation is woefully locked.

He can now confront the Tea Party Congress, Part II. If its members want to frustrate President Obama and the Democratic majority in the Senate -- it's only two years until they are up for re-election. Some people so like being a member of Congress that they will make compromises to stay in office.

.... Think of how all the money, the invective, and the scheming against President Obama worked. It all failed catastrophically. The Tea Party pols have to compromise to be members of the 114th Congress -- and more significantly, do something other than frustrate President Obama.

Mitch McConnell said that his first priority was to ensure that Barack Obama would be a one-term President. That did not happen.

My prediction: President Obama is not going to be the President to resolve the current 4T. The best that he can do is to set up someone else to take the decisive role in in the 4T. Our democracy is intact despite the vile consequences of Citizens United. Whatever your position, you are stuck with President Barack Obama for four more years.

We grow closer to the Civil War which I think will eventually take place - more so than ever now.

The GOP has been given a reprieve in the House -- with responsibilities to change their ways. Much of that will be individual choices -- and Tea Party Representatives will need to quit letting lobbyists make robots of them. President Obama can challenge Congress at will because he is a lame duck.

Originally Posted by playwrite

It's not only about the crazy "unskewing" of polls by you and the rest of the Right over that last month.

It's more about thinking a candidate that says F-off to 1/2 the population is going to win a national election.

It's also thinking you can tell women, a majority of the electorate, that they are incapable of making their own moral decisions about their own bodies.

It's also thinking you can say F-off to the fastest growing part of the electorate, the Hispanics.

It's also about thinking people would be so pissed off at the tow truck driver for not moving fast enough that they would give the keys back to the drunken a-holes that drove us off into the ditch in the first place.

That and so much more.

I've been very quiet in responding to your nonsense ever since that first debate. Just decided to let you have as much of this as you needed -



- hope you have enough.

I want to make it clear that this is the last time I will ever read one of your posts, let alone respond to them. You've shown very clearly what you, and "your side" are about. You are a disgrace to humanity.

That said: You seem to not realize how close this election is. Obama's margin in FL, OH and VA is less than 1% in each state. The tiniest shift in the popular vote would have given it to Romney. In addition, I never predicted anything. If the election had been held a week ago, Romney probably would have won. Obama had a slight bounce back in the past week, and that was barely enough for him to limp across the line.

None of that matters in your twisted little world. Have a good life, good luck with being a scumbag. Hope it works out for you.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

The GOP has been given a reprieve in the House -- with responsibilities to change their ways.

To think the Republican controlled House or the president will change their ways is laughable. Obama is no Bill Clinton - Obama doesn't know how to reach across aisles like Clinton did to seek a better solution for our nation. I don't agree with Clinton's political ideology on most matters - but I will say the man was a master statesman. Obama? No. There will be no distinction over the next two years vs. the last two years. The vitriol and disgust on both sides will not only continue - but probably grow greater. The next two years will be worse than the last two years with deadlock.

j.p.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Precisely. Anyone who can speak of 'legitimate rape' or that the child of a rape can be a blessing from God now has his feet in the 21st century and his mind in the 15th.

I agree with you on this. Even if these guys really believe that are they really that stupid to think it should be said. Sadly two prime pick offs were destroyed. Frankly Im almost madder about these losses than the Presidency....

Originally Posted by JDFP

To think the Republican controlled House or the president will change their ways is laughable. Obama is no Bill Clinton - Obama doesn't know how to reach across aisles like Clinton did to seek a better solution for our nation.

j.p.

Did Clinton reach across the aisle or did he just submit to the Republicans? Does this have to be a one way deal?

Originally Posted by JDFP

And he'll not do a damn thing over the next two years - thank God - as the House is still controlled by the Republicans.

Originally Posted by JDFP

It's absolutely nothing to fret about. The Republicans still control the House (and picked up a few seats at that). Absolutely nothing will be accomplished by this lame duck president over the next few years. And I seriously doubt anything will be "accomplished" (the word is used argumentatively) after 2014 because we will still hold control of Congress. So, let the liberals bask in their win tonight - John Boehner still holds the hands of Obama under police cuffs. Good luck to Obama on accomplishing anything he seeks to do in the further downfall of our nation. It won't happen. Not a bill put before Congress will pass before we have a chance to circumvent it for the betterment of our nation. In other words, absolutely nothing has changed tonight but a further attempt of the degradation of our nation. For the next two years, Obama will be as "effective" as the last two years.

Interesting comments. Didn't want them to get lost.

Originally Posted by JDFP

The big distinction is that Reagan could work with Tip O'Neill. Reagan could converse with Tip O'Neill to accomplish things. O'Neill may have been woefully wrong on his ideology - but the man put the country before his politics. The distinction today is between Obama and Boehner which is a far greater rift from Reagan and O'Neill because O'Neill and Reagan were friends even if they disagreed (the old saying is that before 6PM they were bitter rivals but after 6PM they were friends). I can't picture Obama and Boehner going out for drinks and "hanging" out as friends. And this serves as a great detriment to this nation. If Obama wants to accomplish anything in his second term he must become a centrist as Clinton did in his second term. Otherwise, we will grow closer to the cold front of politics as we have had the last few years with not a damn thing accomplished. And that will serve as a major hindrance to our nation.

j.p.

Well, there is nothing in Obama's history to show that he will compromise. All he's done since the day he took office (before, actually) is attack Republicans. It seems to be all he knows how to do when someone disagrees with him, just like his base of left wing supporters. Regardless of any possible compromise on the budget, Obamacare will not be repealed, which is all it takes to guarantee the economy will not improve.

I'm just hoping no new, major bad thing happens, because that could be the straw that breaks the camel's back, producing a really bad outcome for the country. Another recession, another major terrorist attack, anything like that. This whole society is being held together with scotch tape right now.

Originally Posted by JDFP

To think the Republican controlled House or the president will change their ways is laughable. Obama is no Bill Clinton - Obama doesn't know how to reach across aisles like Clinton did to seek a better solution for our nation. I don't agree with Clinton's political ideology on most matters - but I will say the man was a master statesman. Obama? No. There will be no distinction over the next two years vs. the last two years. The vitriol and disgust on both sides will not only continue - but probably grow greater. The next two years will be worse than the last two years with deadlock.

(I have since added material to the post as an intended improvement).

Barack Obama can turn perhaps 30 Representatives into lame ducks within the next two years if they obey lobbyists at the expense of their constituents.

Originally Posted by The Rani

Well great, get out there and improve something then.
JP's comments are pretty much on target. You guys should be celebrating, having moved the Democratic Party so far to the Right that they are now unrecognizable.

Screw that, why should I get out there and improve things for Democrats. Fuck them. I hope they enjoy unemployment.

Originally Posted by The Rani

Well great, get out there and improve something then.
JP's comments are pretty much on target. You guys should be celebrating, having moved the Democratic Party so far to the Right that they are now unrecognizable.

Sure...the Democratic Party has moved right.

They did move right over the course of the 80s and 90s, but they jolted back hard to the left in the 00s, which produced Obama. The fact that they've been stopped from doing everything they wanted doesn't mean they moved right. Maybe the country has moved right (doesn't look like it), but the Democrats certainly have not.

Originally Posted by Classic-X'er

Screw that, why should I get out there and improve things for Democrats. Fuck them. I hope they enjoy unemployment.

Well said, colorful language notwithstanding. Make me king, and I'll improve things. Otherwise, the country is what it is. I'm just one out of 300 million+. When I figure out how to single-handedly, as a private citizen, fix the economy and the complete societal breakdown we've been experiencing I'll get back to you.

Originally Posted by JDFP

"We were left where we were as a country but probably a little worse off" - Charles Krauthammer. One of the most intelligent and wise men of our time. I agree with him 100%. But I will not espouse gloom and doom - because we still hold the House. Nothing at all will change over the next two years. "We are exactly where we are a year ago - and the country will slide because there will be no give." - Charles Krauthammer again.

j.p.

Obamacare is now enshrined immaculate

One, two and possible even three Supreme Court Justices are going to be set in place by Obama.

Obama has the House GOP over a barrel with the "fiscal cliff." If they do nothing, then taxes are going to go up big time and Defense spending will be slashed like it never has been before. That is a lot of blood on the floor and more so with the GOP's elite financial backers; if you think the GOP will keep their t-bag 'principals' in the face of their 1% elites squeezing their testicles, you are more of a clueless sheeple that even I would have guessed.

Then there's the big strategic move - comprehensive immigration reform. The Hispanic voter went from 9% of the electorate to 10% in just two years since the 2010 election. When this election is truly analyzed by people with functioning brain stems (shout out to Nate Silver!), it will be clear Obama would not be taking a second lap in the WH without the Hispanics. And what is the GOP going to do about Obama putting immigration on the table again? Fight it, and watch all these 2012 swing states become deep Blue and a lot of 2012 deep Red become swing states (e.g. TX by 2020?); go along with it and the best you can hope-for is to look like Obama water carriers to the t-baggers.

And who knows what other opportunities there will be. And our guy will be there; your guy will be on The Apprentice stroking Donald Trump.

So, take your 'mandate' and stick it where the sun don't shine!



"Like I said, I got this" - Barack O., November 6, 2012

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Need to not keep posting incremental updates, but with 31% now in (reporting has been paused while the last people in line vote), VA is looking not just like a Romney win, but a big Romney win. He appears to be leading in every county in NOVA except Fairfax. Bob McDonnell carried those counties in 2009, so it may not be a total surprise.

The state numbers are all in flux as the results trickle in, but when you add it all up, the national number is Romney 51.5%, Obama 47.4%. Considering that these are all in the eastern half of the country where most of the population lives, that may be pretty close to the final result...

The national numbers at that point precede the returns from the West Coast, most notably California. In 2008 the popular vote was close until California numbers came in.

...President Obama played a beat-the-cheat strategy as in 2008 and it has ensured that no individual Governor can decide the results of his State on his own.

Absolutely nothing is going to change over the next two years. And year 3-4 I seriously doubt anything will change as well. The Democrats will not, and you can call this an Eric prophecy from his 8-ball (although I preferred the 8-balls I had when I used to live in Atlanta as a younger person - ahem) - re-win Congress overall in 2014 either. The Republicans will hold Congress as Obama will not become a master statesman as Clinton was able to accomplish in his second term.

The verdict on tonight? We are deadlocked as a nation for the next four years. There will be no accomplishment or achievement for our nation over the next four years. The win of Obama tonight will almost 100% guarantee the election of someone along the lines of Christie or Rand Paul in 2016 (personally I'm rooting for Rand Paul for a change from politics as "usual" though I think that's more of a personal dream as opposed to reality in which Christie will probably carry 2016).

Ultimately, the re-election of Obama tonight will almost guarantee the victory of a re-invigorated Republican party in 2016.

j.p.

Originally Posted by playwrite

One, two and possible even three Supreme Court Justices are going to be set in place by Obama.

If you think Scalia (i.e. the greatest Supreme Court justice we have) is going to retire over the next four years outside of something known as death you are nuts.

j.p.

Originally Posted by JDFP

Hey, enjoy it. Like I said, nothing is going to change over the next two years v. the last two. Obama is a lame duck.

j.p.

Do you guys ever get tired of being wrong?

Originally Posted by playwrite

Do you guys ever get tired of being wrong?

Come back in two years - we'll see who is wrong.

j.p.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Yeah, everything is falling exactly as the polls showed in terms of relative position, except Florida, which is much closer than the polls showed. OH, VA and FL are all mind-bogglingly narrow - less than a 1% margin in each state. A tiny shift in the overall popular vote would have given them all to Romney. What I have to wonder is what all those people who voted for Obama were thinking. I know for many of them it was just about race, and for the hard left it's just dogma. But for the ones who made the difference, I have no idea what was going through their mind. How is anything going to get better now?

Well, what should get better is your math.

If, you work at it.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Reality is reality. Obamacare is on course. Businesses are not going to be hiring. Entitlements will not be reformed. The budget deficit will continue to spiral out of control because the economy is not growing.

Maybe you should consider leaving?

Originally Posted by The Rani

You know what, you're right. The Democratic Party has been leaning Right since Clinton.
What I should have said is that you've done a great job of moving so-called Progressives to the Right.
That's why the Repubs have no where to go except freaky comments about rape. Everything else on The Right is already taken.
So live it up!

Whatever you say.

If I could interject on the doom and gloom, the White House and Congress are the same as they were yesterday. The country won't erupt into widespread famine, poverty, and chaos. But we are back to square one on the fact that there needs to be compromise in Congress. Regardless of who won the presidential election, this gridlock would still exist. So the problem isn't the president considering that Congress creates and passes the legislation (and has the ~10% approval rating).