It's the only way to travel.Originally Posted by The Rani
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It's the only way to travel.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
And yet voting (at least in the sense that you mean it; voting for one of the pre-selected, state-sanctioned outcomes) is one of the wonderful tools used to give people the illusion of choice and legitimize all of that bad behavior you don't like. So what exactly do you think women won again? The ability to pretend alongside the men?Gee, I think protest and activism was one of the main reasons for positive change in this country.
U.S. women suffragists demonstrating for the right to vote, February 1913
Heh, I have read that during the American Revolution a prominent Tory New Englander was recorded as saying "I would rather have one tyrant 1000 miles away over 1000 tyrants not a mile away!"Ah, a cycle where the current crop of Libertarians gets to experience the trade-off of one big bully (that you can vote out ever 2-4 years) for the innumerable small bullies.
Just try to be the first to have the toll road out of town, otherwise you'll be stuck in whateve hellhole you find yourself.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Berg's reputation as a slum lord came back and bit him in the rear.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Voting in itself may not be of much consequence, but it would be hard to deny that women have won a lot of rights to be equal participants in our society over the last 100 years.
Can you point to a single moment, a single decisive action that made it happen? Probably not. Were people who demanded instant results disappointed? Probably. Did something eventually happen anyway? Yup.
“The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones.” ― Confucius
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
Economic activity? Yes they do. It's called casino capitalismTM. Now whether said activity actually benefits the "real" economy or "real" people is an entirely different matter altogether. Romney visits these quite often and seems to be quite lucky. He's hit quite a few jackpots. Romney, as a takeaway, also ships stuff overseas, called jobs. No ports needed.I can't remember what these things are called, but they are informative in many ways.
Look at this map that Unormal posting again. It's based on voter preference by population size -
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Based on that, do you really believe that it is Right that creates jobs and economic activity??? Maybe you could claim we need the food you grow or the energy you produce, but who else are you going to sell it to? Try selling it overseas and shipping it through our ports? Yea, right.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
Eh. I prefer quantum tunneling myself.
1. Grab my uraninite crystals out of my rock collection. *
2. Wait and see if some future vision/prediction springs forth.
*I don't think the New Ager crystal folks have as cool or effective crystals like I have. Said sample glows a nice pretty shade of green under UV.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
Restoring power is a slow tedious process, made worse by the stupidity of not properly maintaining the grid and distribution systems. The entire East Coast needs to rework their distribution, and it needs to go underground.
In '85, we were without power from Gloria for about a week and a half ... and others were still out after we got ours back. Gloria was big storm, but it hit Long Island, not Manhattan. The ditribuiotn is still just as bad as then, only 30 years older.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
you know, i decided to pop in here just to see the gopper heads exploding, but then i see this crap.No words needed.The only image that might be more accurate would be him riding a drone with a kill list in his hand.
unbelievable.
I was terribly disappointed in Barr's run as the Libertarian candidate. I had hopes that he had name recognition, but it did little good (and may have hurt, TBT) ...
exactly.
we need to get some work done in this country and not waste time whining and snarking.
The league of women voters is a result of the suffrage movement. While they support voting, they no longer host the presidential debates. Check out their press release from 1988 explaining why they bowed out of the process.
WASHINGTON, DC —"The League of Women Voters is withdrawing its sponsorship of the presidential debate scheduled for mid-October because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter," League President Nancy M. Neuman said today.
"It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and honest answers to tough questions," Neuman said. "The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
And your writing that in response to one of our lovable snarkiest members? Priceless.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
I like Barr but I couldn't pull the trigger for him after the shit campaign he ran. He has written some good things since joining the ACLU and Libertarian Party. He just couldn't get it done.
I think it's shameful that all legitimate candidates should not participate in the same debate. Having Stein and Johnson at those 3 debates would have been really interesting.
it was actually a continuation of my earlier response to you.
as i've said previously, playwrite is one of the few posters on this site who seems to be living in the real world.
(and in case it wasn't obvious, i am thrilled with obama's re-election and with the democratic senate pick-ups)
Well maybe you support this too.
Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection
John Glaser, November 07, 2012
Not even a full day had passed before newly reelected President Obama ordered another drone strike in Yemen.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
we're at war, deb. now i would rather we wrapped this thing up sooner rather than later, but really...would you have preferred commander-in-chief romney?
(and don't throw your "green" credentials at me -- stein/anderson/whoever socialist had no shot of winning this election)
Playdude doesn't come across as a real worlder to me. He comes across as a lead actor in the magic pony show. Hint: The people who piss you and him off the most are the real worlders.
yeah, i don't have a lot of tolerance for militant stupidity and ignorance.
which is why it was *great* to see it get taken down several pegs last night.
you were pretty funny with your threat not to expand your business. you epitomize the cliche "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
honest to god, making business decisions based on whether or not your guy won.
dumb.
Well that's the thing about reality: when people living in it talk to those living in magic pony land, the latter feel threaten.At least I acknowledge outright and up-front that my fabrications are imaginary. You try to convince people to live according to yours.
But here's reality - my telling you that Santa isn't coming down the chimney may or may not seem like I convincing you, but either way, Santa's not coming.
What certain of my friends on both the Left and the Right just don't get is that they may have some valid points (some of which I may actually agree with), but they do themselves and their issues a great deal of disservice by presenting them in the exaggerated context of magic pony land.
A fifth grader understands that while human death always has elements of tragedy, comparing deaths in the dozens (e.g., drones) to deaths in the millions (i.e., nuclear exchange) is just, well, stupid. Trying to argue America is actually an empire rather than hegemonic is not much of an improvement. Knowing both of these as reality does not in any way diminish the issues of drone deaths or American hegemony, it merely puts them in perspective so one can have an adult discussion about them.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
lol...you guys really expect that the administration is going to describe these missions in any sort of detail? this is a totally different kind of warfare.
again, not that i like it...but if this is the best you can do....
or magic froggy land, for that matter.
sheesh, using kermit against the guy who actually *likes* pbs. ::shivers::
hope you do acknowledge that drone attacks resulting in civilian deaths do suck. and suck mightily. on their own terms. (iranian nukes notwithstanding)A fifth grader understands that while human death always has elements of tragedy, comparing deaths in the dozens (e.g., drones) to deaths in the millions (i.e., nuclear exchange) is just, well, stupid. Trying to argue America is actually an empire rather than hegemonic is not much of an improvement. Knowing both of these as reality does not in any way diminish the issues of drone deaths or American hegemony, it merely puts them in perspective so one can have an adult discussion about them.
We're out of Iraq
We're on schedule to pull out of Afghanistan
Drone strikes are way down and coming down more
We have not taken military action against Iran
We have not sanctioned Israel taking action, including possibly nuclear, against Iran.
If you don't think these are big deals or that they would be completely different if the GOP held the White House, then you are either not paying attention or again, you're just another resident of magic pony land.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
