And this is exactly why nobody has a right not to be offended. And some go out of their way to be offended (including Islamists and Evangelical Christians) because they have a martyr complex.Originally Posted by The Rani
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
-With the difference that the Evangelicals don't go around killing people over pictures. At least, not yet. If this keeps up, though, they'll probably get ideas.
Only because the government keeps our nut-jobs under control.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
-Not entirely. You'd have to believe that the government controls "Christian nut jobs" more effectively than "Islamic nut jobs", even though there should be more of the Christian variety. Christians are simply more tolerant. Period.
I think what is creepy is pundits like Krauthammer saying that America has lost its relevance and power in the Middle East, Obama's leadership is missing there etc., just based on what a few mobs do who don't represent the people there.
-Who is stopping these mobs? If the rioters/terrorists were arguing in favor of better treatment for Christians, how long do you think those riots would last?
I don't think it's Christianity versus Islam. Christians several hundred years ago were pretty darn intolerant. I think it more is cultural; Americans are raised with the assumption of separation of church and state and free speech and that includes US muslims. In the ME, people don't have that kind of framework.
Just my two thoughts.
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
Hoarded? I had to mull this over.
I'd say pushed out, or shoved out, or driven out. Yes, I do think the Christians will be a subject to some sort of those verbs. Then there is a verb, expunge which has a stronger meaning of the above. Yeah, typical INTP hangup on trying to find which verb to use to convey what I mean. English is funny that way. One has a wide selection of words to pick from.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
Thank you. Though I'd set the travel ban such that it coincided with sanity over their.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
Hehe, so you noticed! Damn!Hoarded? I had to mull this over.
I'd say pushed out, or shoved out, or driven out. Yes, I do think the Christians will be a subject to some sort of those verbs. Then there is a verb, expunge which has a stronger meaning of the above. Yeah, typical INTP hangup on trying to find which verb to use to convey what I mean. English is funny that way. One has a wide selection of words to pick from.[/SUP]
Was stuck on thinking about hordes and throngs for some reason (not that it actually applied here - maybe I've just been playing Heroes of Might and Magic too much?) and thus "hoarded" was eventually typed down. "Pushed out" was naturally what I was looking for. Thanks!
BTW, straight talking "Joneser Style", reducing everything to its bare essentials, has a tendency to work wonders in a wide range of situations.
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You probably meant "herded out".
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
Thanks, that's it!
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I don't know. We were never supposed to have fights in school of course, but they were occurring all the time nevertheless. What happened afterwards I'm not too sure. Afterall, I was in highschool from 1986-89 (grades 10-12), which means the biggest trouble makers were already weeded out, and by then everyone was too grown up to have fighs anyway. Had no contact with guys in middle highschool or below at the time.
I took my last punches when I was in 8th grade. Taunted a big psycho guy about his motorbike one night when I was drunk and had to pay the price. Heard he is homeless nowadays and lives in a row of shacks on the outskirts of town, "holding court" among a set of dope fiends and petty criminals who frequent the place. Yup, that's how Axel ended up.
Romney is a lame duck lawyer weasel trying to act tough. I actually appreciate Obama more and more. He gets things done and keeps kind of low key about it. He's got balls and he's relatively human for a politician. Alright, much of his hands are tied by the PTB, but I sense some Joneser potential there.Scince the Tunisian uprising started and spread I've been fairly certain that the whole Arab spring process is a true 4T. The fact that religion prevades all aspects of middle eastern life makes the possibility of this all being a 2T social moment one that has to be considered. But many of the opening sparks were related to bread prices and other secular issues so I still suspect that this is a 4T.
And it' likely to take many turns before we get a clear picture of the new saeculum. Like most I'm hoping that the forces of moderation and modernization create the new way, but it may well be 20 years before we know.
And, IMO, here in America having wannabe presidential candidates acting bellicose everytime there's a riot in a country with a crecent moon on the flag is nto a good thing.
Romney can spout out irresponsible blather but unless he wins the election he'll never have to deal with any problems that he creates for the country along the way.
Indeed, I believe you are right about the 4T. The Middle East had their 2T in the radical 60's and early 70's like everyone else. I'd go so far as to suggest there is only one cycle, a spiritual superstructure hoovering above us creating varying trickle down effects as adjusted for cultural and other conditions of reception.
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That may be the universal pattern. After we jonesers got into high school all of the "mudheads" dropped out of high school as soon as they reached the legal school leaving age of 16.
After that they were pretty much our larger society's problems instead of being a problem for the school and its students and staff.
So yes, my high school was also a lot more peaceful than my junior high had been.
Heck at my high school weed was so popular that most students were pretty mellowed out.
There just wasn't any reason for anyone to get too beligerant about anything.
We had a few students getting drunk in the 8th grade. I was still an aspiring jock at tat point and so I didn't get into party type activity unil after an ankle injury ended by basketball career at the age of 16. I had gotten injured at practice the year before but I still had hopes of a full recovery but my foot speed was never the same. I was just a slow white boy with a good jump shot by the time I was 16--so why not party?
As far as the misfits of my youth go, I do know of two "mudhead' types who died before they turned 21 due to substance abuse. It is likely a too common story everywhere in the first world.
And that's the irony on the ground here in America.
A lot of Obama supporters from 2008 are alienated because they wanted many changes, including a single payer or public option type health insurance system.
Instead the realities of the current American political system made the only change possible a complex bill that contains some good long term reforms, such as allowing coverage of even those with pre existing conditions, but at a price of forcing a possible tax penalty on those who do not have coverage bought from the unpopular insurance racket.
Because of this some Obama voters from 2008 may not vote. However, Romney will not win if he keeps talking down the common people. Everyday he is finding a new way to alienate potential voters.
Well. S and H supposed a global cycle in their first book Generations. And given the pull of an interconnected world we may well be mostly in a universal cycle if you will by the time the euro-American first world culture enters the next 1T. I estimate that this should happen between 2025 and 2030, allowing for a little year to year variation within and between individual countries.
If it weren't for the fact that Russia and some of it neighbors such as the Balkin countries show signs of having had 4T's from the early '80 to the late '90s, I would feel even more certain about this. That one region seems to have its own cycle about one turning ahead ( or if you prefer three turnings behind) the cultures to their west, including Sweden and America.
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You were DRUNK wen you were 14???
***innocent Millie with shocked expression***
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
He is also European. Their standards are different. That said I was regularly smoking pot at 14 Odin. Still do as a matter of fact.
Pfft. I got drunk at family events (not like I set out to; it just sort of happens when you don't have much experience) starting at age six. By the time I was 14, I already knew how to regulate properly, though, so I wasn't getting drunk hardly at all any more.
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"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch
"Человек не может снять с себя ответственности за свои поступки." - L. Tolstoy
"[it] is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky
That's how it was like in those days, kid.
(LOL, you never know how good it felt being able to write that!
And in fact, if you hadn't got laid yet by said age you felt like a failure. I hadn't got laid yet, but anyone can manage to get drunk, right? Now they're calling people "children" up and including the age of 18. What's the world coming to?
It sure is the universal pattern. In our part of the world at least. "Mudhead", what an excellent expression, lol.
First time I got substantially drunk was in Rome with my dad when I was still 13. We shared a couple of caraffas for lunch in the pre-summer heat. Considering the scenery overlooking the Pantheon I've later found the classical setting kind of thankful for the event.
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Aren't people from Staten Island awesome?
Staten Island Advance Letters to the Editor
The 'Arab Spring' has nothing to do with democracy
Published: Saturday, October 06, 2012, 12:03 AM
By AIDA NELSON
NEW DORP
This is in response to Pope Benedict’s remarks in Lebanon. He praised the “Arab Spring,” saying, “The movement represents positive aspirations for democracy and liberty and hence a renewed Arab Identity.”
The Brotherhood, a terrorist group, is organizing all Muslim countries to [impose] Sharia Law, nothing that resembles Western culture. This is what the Arab Spring is about. This in not democracy.
Our priests and pope want open dialogue with Muslim nations. Their talk should include these two big factors:
Get rid of Sharia Law. It’s brutal form of government and all controlling in one’s life.
Get rid of Islamic doctrine that says Islam must be the one world religion.
All nations, all Christians, Jews and Hindus on this planet should start to use righteous anger against Islam — just like Jesus, when he threw out the money-changers from the temple. If we close our eyes and use appeasement, we will all find ourselves under Sharia Law.
Our 9/11 was an example of Sharia in action. It’s not over. America is the diamond Islam wants. Islam wants Sharia here.
It’s getting late. Our future is in question. Will it be American liberty or Islam’s Sharia Law?
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
What are the attributes of Sharia law?
The people of Staten Island are largelly correct.
One could simplify the Arab Spring by saying this: If Muslim populations receive democratic constitutions, the majority will vote Islamist, and a few years down the road it's goodbye democracy, hello Sharia. In no way does that mean every Muslim is serious about their faith or even desire to remain Muslim.
What I'm a little worried about as enlightenment at last and thankfully is spread about Sharia and the demands God is making on faithful Muslims, is perhaps that it could be used to design aggressive wars of conquest on the Middle East. And I don't wan't that. I don't want to spread pain, oppression and misery on the Muslim world. I just don't want them not to come here and I wish those who've immigrated to Europe posing as refugees be deported.
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If - I'm this close to saying when - Romney wins, Israel will take out Iran's nukes by February 1.
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
Morsi's power play to suspend the power of judges to overrule his decrees, and the people in the streets resisting and supporting it, is just what I would have expected or predicted when Mars aligns with Pluto during its ongoing revolutionary square to Uranus in these times. The power play is emphasized by Mars' position in Capricorn (sign of the state executive power) conjoining Pluto there. The Egypt revolution is the latest one to replay the original pattern of the French Revolution (which happened under the Uranus-Pluto opposition of 1789-95). The people in the streets overthrew the government, but then the new bosses declared themselves absolute in order to defeat tyranny. How will this play out? Will the people let Morsi rule, and will he give up his absolute powers in a couple of months when he says, when the constitution is finished? Will the constitution being drafted by the Islamists in the assembly he is defending, uphold human rights?
Remember, there were key angles between Uranus and Pluto at other key moments in revolutionary history, such as:
opposition (180 degree angle between the 2 planets) circa 1649, the English Revolution
opposition circa 1792, French Revolution
square circa 1820, Greek Revolution, and others in southern Europe & South America
conjunction/alignment, circa 1850, European revolutions of 1848-51, US & German civil wars aborted-- for now
opposition, early 20th century, first Russian Revolution, anti-imperialism, etc.
square circa 1933, the fascist takeover, and the new deal
conjunction, circa 1966, civil rights, student, anti war movements, Czech Spring, French strike, etc.
the current square has been in effect since about 2008, and is at its peak this year and next.
the next opposition will happen when the next Awakening begins, in the late 2040s.
Even though this board is mostly anti-astrology and anti-woo-woo in general, it is a board about predicting the future. And despite the orientation of current posters, and the disclaimer by the T4T authors that they don't use astrology, turning and generations theory are not materialist. So I have posted astrological predictions here, and they have a very good record. I will have to look for some of these posts as I write my book, for evidence of my predictions.
I think I wrote my prediction here some time ago that we are in a cycle where USA foreign interventions occur, and often when wars start involving the USA if other indications agree (previous such periods include 2001, 1989-90, 1965-66, 1941, 1917). See my you tube video. I also said Syria would be the most likely spot, and that's what I have told others in group meetings at which I spoke. In other posts here I said "we would not invade Syria." In that case I apparently meant that the USA would not mount an invasion like it did in Iraq and Afghanistan, as some conspiracy theorists and other hotheads say, and I'm sure of that. But we are, as I've said, likely to see an intervention within the year, and that could come soon the way things are going in Syria. Nov.2013 is a likely time, but it could come sooner. We have just seen Mars ignite the big Uranus-Pluto revolution square over the past 2 weeks, by conjoining Pluto in Capricorn, and that has meant things are heating up in the two main revolutionary locations Egypt and Syria. Early next month, Mars forms a 90 degree angle with Saturn, and Mercury joins the revolution square. So around Jan.6th could be a key time of decision. March 2013 looks like a very active month in these matters as well, especially in the revolutions.
July 22, 2013 and thereabouts is certainly and interesting time to watch. Jupiter returns to its place in the USA horoscope, which was in 1989 the exact signal for the Panama invasion I had earlier predicted. It will be joined by Mars there too. It could also be quite a positive time in which the USA helps these nations in revolution to form lasting constitutions and governments. This I see indicated because around July 17 we will experience a grand trine that is very close among three big important planets, Jupiter/Saturn/Neptune. This same grand trine (a triangle in the sky among these 3 planets) is the one that occurred when the USA constitution was created. It occurred then in air signs, which was very good for good ideas and writing. This time the element is water. Would we see an international agreement involving the sea, or climate change, or oil resources, or ocean piracy, as well as constitutions in or agreements with religious countries?
Whatever happens in July-Aug 2013, the USA will be a big player diplomatically, and probably involving some boots on the ground, most-likely in Syria, or perhaps elsewhere in the same region. Pluto and Saturn are also tied together this year, which also indicates both military action and reconstruction activities. That means the USA will help Syria rebuild and create its new state, and it could also mean starting to help nations threatened by climate change if there's an international agreement in this area. Alliances may form among Arab Spring countries, or countries threatened by global warming. Another possibility is stopping Iran from blocking the straight of Hormuz, or an agreement with Iran on nuclear weapons. It would be the best possible time for international cooperation and humanitarian aid involving reconstruction of any kind. Embargoes and blockades may be lifted so that liquid resources flow.
I think this close, powerful three-way trine (a fortunate, flowing aspect) in July 2013 is the main reason I think the economy will be recovering fine next year, in spite of the fiscal cliff crisis of Dec.2012. It doesn't mean I can predict everything that's going on; my crystal ball is not that sharp. So I don't make predictions that try to cover everything. But I can often get some key predictions on certain topics correct nowadays.
I guess it's appropriate that I post this on Pearl Harbor Day.
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Hearing the report on PBS news about the Egyptian referendum on the constitution was quite interesting. The reporter and the activists there said that the referendum was approved in the rural areas, where the folks believed the authorities who said the constitution would provide security, and are not inclined to read the constitution but to accept what the authorities say, and that it would provide needed stability, but was voted own in the capital and urban areas where people have more education and are more engaged and know what's going on. And I thought, sounds familiar. That's just what we have in the USA regarding red states and blue states. The rural red states are where the folks are who are uneducated and just want stability, the hicks from the sticks, and the urban blue states are where the intelligensia are that reads up on things. A universal pattern. The provincial red states are just where the folks are who have not caught up with the times, just like in Egypt, and probably everywhere. Strangely it gives me hope that we don't really have a great divide, however stubbornly the red state folks cling to their illusions and fears, but just need to catch up, and eventually they will.
