Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Yes, but I see no reason to doubt that the administration isn't lying on this. They are working with that "less militant faction" in Syria already, which they have helped to organize.

You mean these guys? Enjoy your little war. I hope your sectarian killings go really well.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

I wouldn't call it stepping into anything really, it's just salesmanship these days. The Russians will sell weapons to anyone with hard cash. Guess where the arms we send to Syria will be coming from? (hint: they won't be getting M4's)

Except for the not insignificant issue: the Syrians have no money. Now the Iranians can bankroll them I suppose, but the Russians have had that ignominius task in the past. In any case, it's a loser for everyone involved.

Up until recently at least, they still had some money, and they were dependable customers. They are also providing the Russians with a warm water port in Tartus.So, it looks like the Afghan government is refusing to negotiate with the Taliban. Was that not in the tea leaves, Eric?

Here in this video of my talk on Dec.27, 2012, I discuss the Jupiter return, and why I predicted US involvement in Syria in 2013, and then the grand trine in July for which I predict US constructive actions in foreign affairs and some breakthroughs. I mentioned the two previous instances of such a grand trine in modern history (1787 and 1967; I didn't mention 1929).

http://youtu.be/cyVolXreDXY?t=11m15s

Has some grand breakthrough in foreign affairs been reached? Has the civil war in Syria ended? Democracy kicked in? Have the Taliban converted to Taoism, Russia forsworn nuclear weapons?

No, all we have is a bunch of press releases by the Obama Administration and some grandstanding by the Taliban to drum up support in the Islamic world in advance of the US' upcoming withdrawal. Which is apparently sufficient for Eric to come rolling online claiming that this foretold by the stars, and that it signals a grand new age where people will actually listen to his "predictions" and buy his products, which he is conveniently flogging.

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

Has some grand breakthrough in foreign affairs been reached? Has the civil war in Syria ended? Democracy kicked in? Have the Taliban converted to Taoism, Russia forsworn nuclear weapons?

No, all we have is a bunch of press releases by the Obama Administration and some grandstanding by the Taliban to drum up support in the Islamic world in advance of the US' upcoming withdrawal. Which is apparently sufficient for Eric to come rolling online claiming that this foretold by the stars, and that it signals a grand new age where people will actually listen to his "predictions" and buy his products, which he is conveniently flogging.

Yes, the stars are gathering for a breakthrough, and events are gathering for one too. I have no products yet except my old book, but I may have one later. Cynical Jordan won't buy them, and that's OK But no-one can yet say "some grand breakthrough in foreign affairs been reached." That's premature. The grand trine is just beginning now. (a trine is a 120-degree angle between planets; a grand trine means 3 or more planets form a triangle formation)

Right now Jupiter has reached 28 degrees Gemini, Saturn is moving slowly retrograde at 5 degrees Scorpio, and he is closely trine to Neptune at 5 degrees Pisces. And just a week ago it seemed impossible that such breakthoughs could occur. Then suddenly, as Jupiter gets within orb of 9 or 10 degrees away from the exact trine (this will be when it reaches 5 degrees Cancer on July 17, which is also the US horoscope's exact Jupiter position, and joined by Mars there), we have a new Iranian reformist president elected, promising to ease tensions with the West (who won't take office until August, so a breakthrough might happen then, but not now other than his election), Obama decides to aid Syria, a Syrian peace conference is being organized, Obama offers to reduce nuclear weapons, and the Taliban agrees to negotiate; all in the space of a week. Just amazing. Even one of these possibilities panning out would fulfill my prediction. It may come true beyond my wildest dreams.

And not for the first time has this happened. I mentioned the time these same 3 planets came into alignment this closely; Nov. 1989. And indeed the events then fulfilled predictions I had been making for 18 years before that.

And maybe I do indeed have a personal connection to all this, since my rising sign degree is 5 degrees Cancer.

Maybe a grand new age; maybe not. But it's a chance for the USA to genuinely help the emerging new peoples in the Middle East and even elsewhere. Troubles and wars and revolutions will continue. I mention in the video that Spring 2014 is a danger point; more outbreaks of violence are possible then. But it's also true that stationary Mars in Libra has often coincided with peace breakthroughs. So despite the friction, what is being set in motion now, and especially around July 17 and the following weeks (because figures like this often reverberate in weeks or months following), might result in a concluding breakthrough in March-April 2014. I'm not sure I have mentioned this particular possibility yet for April 2014, so you heard it here first.

http://youtu.be/cyVolXreDXY

Unlike what cynics blinded by out-dated science like Jordan say, we are all connected in an organic, conscious universe. Reality is non-local. As above, so below; the ancient hermetic law is the scientific, holographic truth. Astrology works. And I have a good record. Maybe not if you expect perfection, but I never claimed that.

Maybe a New Age, maybe not. Maybe there will be outbreaks of violence in Spring of 2014, maybe there will be a "concluding breakthrough". You're not exactly going out on a limb here, are you, Eric? It's really easy to make "accurate" predictions when you predict three or four mutually contradictory things at once, then only reference the ones that come true.

What "out-dated science" am I blinded by? What "scientific" proof is there for any of your assertions? Why are you so quick to dismiss science as being shallow and merely materialistic when it goes against something you want to be true, but it is suddenly the deciding factor and ultimate authority when it doesn't?

That's right, because you're a flake.

PS How the fuck does holography have anything to do with what you're talking about? You haven't been dipping into pop-science string "theory" again, have you?

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

Maybe a New Age, maybe not. Maybe there will be outbreaks of violence in Spring of 2014, maybe there will be a "concluding breakthrough". You're not exactly going out on a limb here, are you, Eric? It's really easy to make "accurate" predictions when you predict three or four mutually contradictory things at once, then only reference the ones that come true.

What "out-dated science" am I blinded by? What "scientific" proof is there for any of your assertions? Why are you so quick to dismiss science as being shallow and merely materialistic when it goes against something you want to be true, but it is suddenly the deciding factor and ultimate authority when it doesn't?

That's right, because you're a flake.

PS How the fuck does holography have anything to do with what you're talking about? You haven't been dipping into pop-science string "theory" again, have you?

Obviously there's no point in debating or answering you; you are as clueless as Kinser and Vandal, and just as unwilling to engage in honest debate. When that changes, let me know. When you have read my articles with honest interest, that might be a sign. Being unwilling to take responsibility for your posts, is not.

If I say maybe something will happen, I am still either mentioning something, or I am not. And often contradictory events can happen in different places at the same time, or even in the same place. Exactly which events happen where, is harder to determine without more study, but often this can be done too. Besides the exact alignment with the US Jupiter, I notice that Turkey is another country that is going through possible revolution now that could see a climax during this cosmic figure in July. Since Saturn is on its Sun position, obviously it is dealing with authoritarian rule too. France may be on the spot too, including about whether to get involved in Syria.

Unlike materialists, ironically, astrologers allow for free will and thus the impossibility of total predictability. Astrology is a human science, and humans are not robots and machines, as admitted rationalist-materialists like Jordan so falsely believe.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Obviously there's no point in debating or answering you; you are as clueless as Kinser and Vandal, and just as unwilling to engage in honest debate. When that changes, let me know. When you have read my articles with honest interest, that might be a sign. Being unwilling to take responsibility for your posts, is not.

Originally Posted by some astrology site

Virgo: August 23 - September 22
Planet: Mercury
Element: Earth
Quality: Mutable

This sign has had a bad rap for far too long. Virgo has been called picky and critical almost since the first astrologer, but here's where it ends. Although it's true that Virgo is an automatic fault-finder, Virgo is Mercury-ruled, like Gemini; and it is the sign with the keenest eye for details. When you’re that good at particulars, it’s natural to see tiny flaws in things. Your Virgo planet is a troubleshooter extraordinaire. It exercises discrimination because its job is to analyze and suggest remedies to problems. This sign is also wonderful at lists and schedules. More than anything, your Virgo planets will delight in helping, and since it's a mutable earth sign, this energy is willing to adapt to any task. Keep your Virgo planet happy by keeping it busy.

NB. Jordan did give me his birth date, but it is hazy. Jordan is clearly of the earth sort (practical), but he's gonna nag you to death wrt details / ideas which are out of place. That is my concise and honest prediction.

Since I'm Taurus the bull, he can tell me if I'm full of BS of course.

Pisces. March 19, 1986.

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

Pisces. March 19, 1986.

OK. Rags did a major fail. I am wrong and I admit it right here.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

OK. Rags did a major fail. I am wrong and I admit it right here.

Rags did not use the very effective techniques developed by con artists over the centuries.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

Rags did not use the very effective techniques developed by con artists over the centuries.

Correct. For there are many horoscope sites on the web which have this sort of stuff:

"Most of the time you are positive and cheerful, but there has been a time in the past when you were very upset." (from the cold reading url you gave. ) I made a conscious decision to avoid this and use the "type of sign" instead. (Earth signs)

Pisces: "These folks are selfless, spiritual and very focused on their inner journey. " Yes, very fishy, Jordan has never struck me as a Boomer.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Obviously there's no point in debating or answering you; you are as clueless as Kinser and Vandal, and just as unwilling to engage in honest debate. When that changes, let me know. When you have read my articles with honest interest, that might be a sign. Being unwilling to take responsibility for your posts, is not.

Odd, I invited Eric at one point to do my horoscope. He refuses to do one for me. Granted he probably won't because I refuse to pay him cause I know astrology is a fraud.

Gemini, 5 June 1979 (1858 hours Eastern)

Anyone who is willing to do one is welcome to.

Obviously there's no point in debating or answering you; you are as clueless as Kinser and Vandal, and just as unwilling to engage in honest debate. When that changes, let me know. When you have read my articles with honest interest, that might be a sign. Being unwilling to take responsibility for your posts, is not.

Lol, what, can't defend your "scientific" belief system? What would you define as honest debate, uncritical acceptance of any old bullshit you want to push?

What haven't I taken responsibility for? I've posted my predictions, based upon educated guesses, and I haven't edited them out or deleted them. They have specific events and time frames. If I'm right, I'm right, if wrong, I'm wrong. The proof will be there for anyone who wants to check.

Or are you referring to the time when I said that I didn't wish good things on you. Because I don't.

If I say maybe something will happen, I am still either mentioning something, or I am not. And often contradictory events can happen in different places at the same time, or even in the same place. Exactlywhich events happen where, is harder to determine without more study, but often this can be done too. Besides the exact alignment with the US Jupiter, I notice that Turkey is another country that is going through possible revolution now that could see a climax during this cosmic figure in July. Since Saturn is on its Sun position, obviously it is dealing with authoritarian rule too. France may be on the spot too, including about whether to get involved in Syria.

Really, you noticed it from the exact alignment with Jupiter, and not from the headlines? Could you post me a link from before the protests occurred stating that this alignment would lead to political unrest in Turkey at this time. And don't try and fob me off with some, "Well, I predicted that something would happen, somewhere, though I could neither predict the time, nor the place, nor the event. Unless of course it just didn't. The stars are unclear."

Unlike materialists, ironically, astrologers allow for free will and thus the impossibility of total predictability. Astrology is a human science, and humans are not robots and machines, as admitted rationalist-materialists like Jordan so falsely believe.

On the contrary, I do believe in free will, for all intents and purposes. A methodological dualism, if you will.

What basis do you have for making these assertions, and why should anyone believe your assertions over those of say, people who divine the future in the entrails of goats, or proclaim to have secret knowledge of the universe gleaned from encrypted messages in the Book of Revelations? What are your epistemological underpinnings? That is to say, how do you know what it is you claim to know?

Eric, what are your thoughts about August 4th's close bunching of the moon, Mercury, Mars and Jupiter?

Do you buy into the "two's company, three's a crowd, four's too many, and five's not allowed" theory; i.e., when these celestial parties get this crowded, the portent is invariably negative?

Some interesting articles from the Economist, that mouthpiece of the Anglo-American elite consensus, concerning the real reasons for intervention in Syria, and some of the effects of the Arab Spring in the region on its children.

Originally Posted by '58 Flat

Eric, what are your thoughts about August 4th's close bunching of the moon, Mercury, Mars and Jupiter?

Do you buy into the "two's company, three's a crowd, four's too many, and five's not allowed" theory; i.e., when these celestial parties get this crowded, the portent is invariably negative?

It's not that close. The amazing configuration is the grand trine on July 17. That is close within 4 minutes of arc, and that is between the outer planets, which are the ones that count. And it's already in effect. The portent is positive, as is already being made apparent by events.

We didn't react hard enough to 9/11; squemish cowards ever since have complained that we overreacted to the attacks. Neither was our response "just right" in terms of retaliation either. The islamist only understands brute force and is only deterred by overwhelming violence applied unjustly. Even if we waged total war after 9/11 but in the same way we waged total war in WW2 it would be regarded as weakness because the destruction would be directed primarily at combatants and support structures of those combatants. Only a full-scale total war with the goal of the completely altering the population makeup of the middle east would end the threat. The islamists only respect brute force used as the first resort; while most regular people have a deep moral sense of right, the evil terrorists in a way also in a way also has a "moral sense": The islamists seeing a retaliation that is directed at the guilty would inevitably regard that response as weakness and americans as weaklings due to their failure to target the women, children and babies in kind. Mercy to the islamists is regarded with contempt precisely because it is merciful. Only unrestrained cruelty, ruthless efficiency and mongol-style retaliation directed primarily at the noncombatants and the loved ones of the terrorist aggressors would deter the enemy from ever thinking of attacking the US ever again.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

The islamists only respect brute force used as the first resort; while most regular people have a deep moral sense of right, the evil terrorists in a way also in a way also has a "moral sense": The islamists seeing a retaliation that is directed at the guilty would inevitably regard that response as weakness and americans as weaklings due to their failure to target the women, children and babies in kind.

So we should become psychopaths so that the Islamists (or the psychopaths among them) "respect" us. Fuck them if they respect us or not--their respect should mean nothing to us. Why should we sacrifice our own moral sense, our own souls if you will, just to gain the "respect" of thugs and psychopaths? Do we really have to prove anything to such people?

I don't ever want to be that way--a killer of children and babies. And I damned well will not be. Does that make me a weakling? Even if some thug halfway around the world might think it does, does it? Holding to moral principle can be a sign of strength actually, although cowards (such as those who kill children and babies, too lazy or scared to seek out real targets for justice that are actually more dangerous to pursue and target) seldom tend to recognize that because they have no idea what strength really is.

Remember the "Brancato Doctrine"?

This is an awesome time to revisit it.

For those who don't want to search the archives, the "Brancato Doctrine" states that whenever and wherever Muslim extremists pull any crap, no matter how "poor" or "irrelevant" the country involved is, that the United States needs to reflexively take the other side. Now mind, you, whenever possible, the doctrine eschews direct U.S. military intervention, preferring "proxy wars" (which is how Ronald Reagan won the Cold War in the '80s) or other aid to the anti-Islamist side short of committing actual American troops (the doctrine insists that the Islamofascist menace can be better managed with James Bonds than with G.I. Joes).

What insight, if any, does the "Brancato Doctrine" offer on the current situation in Syria?

Well one thing it completely rules out is any aid whatsoever to the Syrian "rebels," based on its "probable cause" provision: Whenever there is "probable cause" to suspect that a party in any dispute of this sort has ties to one or more of the "Unholy Trinity" - al Qaeda, the Taliban, or the Muslim Brotherhood - then that party should certainly never be aided, and in the vast majority of instances at least, its adversaries be aided.

Also note the myth now being propagated by most of the media that the Assad clan are Shiites - when actually they are Alawites, a Jehovah's Witnesses-like "cult" which is seen as "counterfeit Islam" by Sunnis and Shiites alike. And what agenda is this outright lie being spread to promote?

So Sarah Palin most likely has the right idea: Let Allah sort them out! (If we stay out, Russian aid to the Assad regime will be more than enough to secure its triumph over the spurious "rebels" - so our "proxy" is in place retroactively).

And Sarah Palin and Laura Ingraham spouting pure, unalloyed common sense in the same week?

Ms. Ingraham's contribution thereto was her analysis, on The O'Reilly Factor on Friday when she deputized for its eponymous blowhard, identifying the real "winners" and "losers," class-wise, if the seemingly-imminent mass amnesty for illegal aliens in fact becomes a reality - an analysis that was deadly, pin-point accurate.

Must be the Season of the Witch - or maybe tonight's "Supermoon" is the cause?

Originally Posted by '58 Flat

Remember the "Brancato Doctrine"?

This is an awesome time to revisit it.

I agree.

For those who don't want to search the archives, the "Brancato Doctrine" states that whenever and wherever Muslim extremists pull any crap, no matter how "poor" or "irrelevant" the country involved is, that the United States needs to reflexively take the other side. Now mind, you, whenever possible, the doctrine eschews direct U.S. military intervention, preferring "proxy wars" (which is how Ronald Reagan won the Cold War in the '80s) or other aid to the anti-Islamist side short of committing actual American troops (the doctrine insists that the Islamofascist menace can be better managed with James Bonds than with G.I. Joes).

What insight, if any, does the "Brancato Doctrine" offer on the current situation in Syria?

Well one thing it completely rules out is any aid whatsoever to the Syrian "rebels," based on its "probable cause" provision: Whenever there is "probable cause" to suspect that a party in any dispute of this sort has ties to one or more of the "Unholy Trinity" - al Qaeda, the Taliban, or the Muslim Brotherhood - then that party should certainly never be aided, and in the vast majority of instances at least, its adversaries be aided.

Also note the myth now being propagated by most of the media that the Assad clan are Shiites - when actually they are Alawites, a Jehovah's Witnesses-like "cult" which is seen as "counterfeit Islam" by Sunnis and Shiites alike. And what agenda is this outright lie being spread to promote?

So Sarah Palin most likely has the right idea: Let Allah sort them out! (If we stay out, Russian aid to the Assad regime will be more than enough to secure its triumph over the spurious "rebels" - so our "proxy" is in place retroactively).

And Sarah Palin and Laura Ingraham spouting pure, unalloyed common sense in the same week?

Ms. Ingraham's contribution thereto was her analysis, on The O'Reilly Factor on Friday when she deputized for its eponymous blowhard, identifying the real "winners" and "losers," class-wise, if the seemingly-imminent mass amnesty for illegal aliens in fact becomes a reality - an analysis that was deadly, pin-point accurate.

Must be the Season of the Witch - or maybe tonight's "Supermoon" is the cause?

1. A subset of one of my favorite doctrines, "realpolitik".
2. We are not doing this because of a lack of being real with ourselves as to what/who said rebels are.
3. This is Rags and I approve of this post.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Just for this one time, let's butt-out, and see if the locals can fix their own problems...

-I'm not advocating that we arm anyone in Syria, but it's too late for that. I'm just argiung that since the POTUS has decided to do this, we might as well help someone who isn't likely to turn out hostile, thus my recommendation for restricting our assistance to the Kurds in the northeast, who are not likely to go MB or AQ (particulalry AQ, which is not only Sunni, but Arab, -centric). That way, at least there's no harm.

It's not like we can't get access to the NE of Syria through (duh-duh-duh!) Iraq...

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Except for the not insignificant issue: the Syrians have no money. Now the Iranians can bankroll them I suppose...

-Ding, ding, ding!

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

... In any case, it's a loser for everyone involved.

-Hezb Allah are supporting Shia' A'lawite versus the Sunni; the Russians gte to poke a stick in the West's eye (and get some cash).

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

US policy is aiming toward helping the rebels establish a non-sectarian government. This is something that may be dealt with at the upcoming conference this Summer...

-Uh, it's not the sort of thing which will be decided at a conference, but the sort of thing which gets dealt with in post-Ba'athist Syria by combat, assuming that they even get to a post-Ba'athist Syria, which seems unlikely, as long as teh have Russian and Hezb Allah support.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I have made so many correct predictions on this site since 1997, that it is impossible to track them all down, which thread they are on...

...well, here we go, from 9 AUG 2002:

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...iraq#post38395

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Not in 2002. Maybe in 2003, late Summer or early Fall; but if so it will be a botched job and we'll have to withdraw. There could be naval disasters.


I'd say Democrats, although redistricting will keep the change from being too big.


Continued volatile and unstable; another downturn in Summer 2003; recovery by 2005; great crash sometime during or after Fall 2008. Economic transformation and recovery later in the 2010s decade.


I'd love to see Gore win the race he was supposed to win in 2000; however my crystal ball says he won't win. If Bush wins he could be assassinated or wounded and have to leave. We could end up with Powell by 2005. Daschell and Gephardt are possibilities; I haven't looked too closely at Daschell yet. Kerry probably not.

See other threads on this.
Environment, weather, plagues, economy, finances, refugees, civil war or federal/presidential break-up, corporate power, Asian troubles.


circa 2025-27

Hillary Clinton :smile:

Break-up of the union into a looser federation. A less-industrial and less corporate society. Global institutions stronger. Hopefully a more humanized society with a sense of scale and aesthetics in harmony with nature and the needs of the human spirit.


Many states will undergo revolutions in 2010. US intervention likely around 2012.
China will undergo a revolution in around 2035.

See my web page for more.

Taken by themselves, those look like semidecent predictions. Then I actually looked at his website, and realized that he basically predicts a war, downturn, upturn, revolution, cultural awakening, peace accord, or extreme weather event every year or so. SOME of those things are bound to happen each year, and so he can claim credit for predicting them, particularly when he can stretch the timelines, so that predicting "gearing up for war in the fall of 2000" that culminates in summer of 2001 is the same as predicting the Sep 11 attacks and subsequent war in Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

Taken by themselves, those look like semidecent predictions. Then I actually looked at his website, and realized that he basically predicts a war, downturn, upturn, revolution, cultural awakening, peace accord, or extreme weather event every year or so. SOME of those things are bound to happen each year, and so he can claim credit for predicting them, particularly when he can stretch the timelines, so that predicting "gearing up for war in the fall of 2000" that culminates in summer of 2001 is the same as predicting the Sep 11 attacks and subsequent war in Afghanistan.

Jordan, thats generally how the prediction and psychic hustle works. Generally speaking most people forget the wrong predictions and count the ones that came true. In Eric's case it isn't just the fools that listen to him that do this, but he himself as well.