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Post#376 at 06-25-2013 12:32 AM by '58 Flat [at Hardhat From Central Jersey joined Jul 2001 #posts 3,300]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
I agree.



1. A subset of one of my favorite doctrines, "realpolitik".
2. We are not doing this because of a lack of being real with ourselves as to what/who said rebels are.
3. This is Rags and I approve of this post.


Thanks, dude - but you better be careful before saying anything good about the most universally unpopular member of this forum!
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.

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http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Rep...m-Syria-317844

Russia has pulled out all its army personnel from Syria due to the rising security threat in the embattled country, AFP cited Russian daily Vedomosti as saying Wednesday...

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...742899346.html

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights... said on Wednesday that the death toll from the civil war was now 100,191 people...

[no breakdown by side or military status]

The fall of Tel Kalakh, three km from the border with Lebanon, marks another gain for Assad after the capture of the rebel stronghold of Qusayr this month.

Like Qusayr, Tel Kalakh was used by rebels in the early stages of the conflict as a transit point for weapons and fighters smuggled into Syria to join the fight against Assad...

"This is not Libya. It is very different in many, many ways," Kerry told reporters in Kuwait City in response to a question on why there had been no military intervention in Syria as during Libya's 2011 armed uprising.

He said that unlike Libya, foreign forces including the Lebanese movement Hezbollah had intervened in Syria, while Russia was supplying the regime with arms...

Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
Taken by themselves, those look like semidecent predictions...
-Actually, the only credible one so far is the economic one.

We were not forced to withdraw from Iraq, unless you consider not getting a Status of Forces Agreement to be "forced." And "naval" disasters?!

In 2002, the D's got beat in both houses (-8 in the House, -2 in the Senate), which was unusual because the POTUS's party generally loses seats in off year elections. If he had predicted a R win, then that would have been impressive.

Eric dodges the 2004 presidential results (...if Bush wins..) and goes on to predict an assassination attempt in which Bush is wounded or killed. He considers Gephardt or Daschell as the D candidate, but says of Kerry (the guy who got it) "probably not.

The rest is stuff that can be interpreted any way you want.
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-Actually, the only credible one so far is the economic one.

We were not forced to withdraw from Iraq, unless you consider not getting a Status of Forces Agreement to be "forced." And "naval" disasters?!

In 2002, the D's got beat in both houses (-8 in the House, -2 in the Senate), which was unusual because the POTUS's party generally loses seats in off year elections. If he had predicted a R win, then that would have been impressive.

Eric dodges the 2004 presidential results (...if Bush wins..) and goes on to predict an assassination attempt in which Bush is wounded or killed. He considers Gephardt or Daschell as the D candidate, but says of Kerry (the guy who got it) "probably not.

The rest is stuff that can be interpreted any way you want.
Yes, exactly, if you look at his actual website, what you see are a whole bunch of off the wall predictions for each and every year. SOMETHING was bound to be near the mark.







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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
Yes, exactly, if you look at his actual website, what you see are a whole bunch of off the wall predictions for each and every year. SOMETHING was bound to be near the mark.
-A good test of how much you trust a theory is whether or not you'd trust your life to it. Astrology fails.







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Whoa, this really got ratched up

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archive..._ultimatum.php

Ambiguous Ultimatum

The Egyptian military (the ultimate arbiter of the current crisis if it chooses to be) has issued statement saying it “will not be involved in the country’s politics or government” but also gives the country’s politicians 48 hours to meet the people’s demands or will introduce its own plan.

This is going from very immediate translations into English. So quite possible that some nuances are missed. But this sounds like a somewhat contradictory message. But the upshot seems to be, We don’t want to get involved. But if you don’t get this settled quickly, we will.

Report: Supreme Council of the Armed Forces holding now a meeting WITHOUT presence of president Mohamed Morsi.

Ibish is a very knowledgable observer of the region. If this report he cites is accurate, it might fairly be interpreted as the beginnings of at least a soft coup.

10:45 PM: The translation I’m seeing to the teeth behind the Egyptian military’s ultimatum is that they will “impose its own roadmap” if no solution is achieved within 48 hours. I’ve also see translations that have a little less bite than ‘impose’.

10:49 PM: A certain irony if Turkey has moved away from Kemalist practice of military as custodian of democratic process (perhaps a generous interpretation but something to it) if Egypt is moving toward it. Of course, Egypt has had more than half a century of, in effect, rule by the military in the lightly civilianized guise of Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak. In any case, has some vague resemblance to the Turkish military’s very soft 1997 overthrow of Erbakan in as much as it was publicly telegraphed.

I've a feeling that after this army statement, yesterday's protests will look like rehearsal compared to tomorrow's encouraged ones. #Egypt
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Yeah, this whole Arab Spring thing has less the look of 1989 and more that of Europe just prior to WWI.

Shit could get really ugly.







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It is like 1989, but it is different because of the greater religious sectarianism, which did not exist in the formerly-communist Eastern Europe (or the failed China uprising), or the former pro-western bloc of dictators either (Philippines, S. Korea, Chile, Panama, etc.). The aims are virtually the same though for the Arab Spring rebels.
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Post#383 at 07-01-2013 04:59 PM by JordanGoodspeed [at joined Mar 2013 #posts 3,587]
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Religious, and ethnic, and hell, we could probably throw in class somewhere too. Yes, that is why it doesn't look like it is going to much resemble 1989.







Post#384 at 07-01-2013 05:04 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
Religious, and ethnic, and hell, we could probably throw in class somewhere too. Yes, that is why it doesn't look like it is going to much resemble 1989.
In the outcome, I believe it will. It is, as is cosmically-indicated, a genuine revolution, and worth supporting.
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Post#385 at 07-01-2013 05:17 PM by JordanGoodspeed [at joined Mar 2013 #posts 3,587]
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My opinions on that aspect of your belief system are well known.

Personally, I'd rather we wait to support the new nations AFTER the dust settles, and the bodies safely buried. Nobody can stay clean in a no-holds-barred shit-flinging contest.







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Exciting things are happening in Egypt. In my book I predicted a wave of revolutions for Spring 2013. That has happened; with an upsurge of bombings in Iraq and elsewhere in April and mass protests in Turkey, Brazil and now Egypt. I predicted that the great grand trine in July would bring new constitutions in the wake of Arab Spring revolutions. This is now happening! The largest-ever protests in Egypt have now forced the army, which has been increasingly anti-Morsi, to compel him to negotiate with the secular protesters or surrender power within 48 hours (39 as I write this). This confrontation will be decisive for the Middle East and the Arab Spring, so say the experts on the PBS Newshour tonight.

The USA is exerting its influence on events, with Obama speaking out and the USA joint chiefs of staff talking directly with his Egyptian counterpart. That may help lead to the military exerting a more constructive role this time than last time.
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Post#387 at 07-01-2013 06:57 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
My opinions on that aspect of your belief system are well known.
But yours and others' "opinions" on astrology are irrelevant, compared to the awesome level of correctness that my predictions made here have achieved, and are achieving as I write. The data suggest that "that aspect of my belief system" is correct; so it is a matter of what YOU GUYS believe, as opposed to the actual facts that I KNOW. If you "believe" in "science," but ignore DATA, then how "scientific" are you really? Answer? you're not. "I have studied the subject, you have not" replied Issac Newton to someone who criticized his use and approval of astrology.
Personally, I'd rather we wait to support the new nations AFTER the dust settles, and the bodies safely buried. Nobody can stay clean in a no-holds-barred shit-flinging contest.
Meaning that you have no influence on the outcome, which is too late. The USA can have influence without joining the fight. That is what we must do, and are increasingly doing, to the benefit of the eventual outcome.
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But yours and others' "opinions" on astrology are irrelevant, compared to the awesome level of correctness that my predictions made here have achieved, and are achieving as I write. The data suggest that "that aspect of my belief system" is correct; so it is a matter of what YOU GUYS believe, as opposed to the actual facts that I KNOW. If you "believe" in "science," but ignore DATA, then how "scientific" are you really? Answer? you're not. "I have studied the subject, you have not" replied Issac Newton to someone who criticized his use and approval of astrology.
Still waiting for that early 2000s cultural golden age, the assassination of George Bush, the war on Iran in 2008, etc.

Also, Isaac Newton may have been a brilliant physicist, but he also liked trying to treat his various ailments with mercury. I suppose you could try it, if you like.

Meaning that you have no influence on the outcome, which is too late. The USA can have influence without joining the fight. That is what we must do, and are increasingly doing, to the benefit of the eventual outcome.
Well, we certainly are continuing to interfere. We'll see how it turns out. I suspect we'll all be covered in shit before long.







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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
Still waiting for that early 2000s cultural golden age, the assassination of George Bush, the war on Iran in 2008, etc.
Where did you get those? Did you read my book? Those were not "predictions I made here." !!

War on Iran in 2008? whut?

In my book it was actually worse; as I thought it would be Gore who was the potential victim.

But I am still waiting for that cultural golden age; hope springs eternal!

Also, Isaac Newton may have been a brilliant physicist, but he also liked trying to treat his various ailments with mercury. I suppose you could try it, if you like.
He was an alchemist too.

Well, we certainly are continuing to interfere. We'll see how it turns out. I suspect we'll all be covered in shit before long.
My crystal ball holds good news over the next month and probably two. Some shit will hit the fan in the coming years, no doubt, including next Spring and possibly this Nov. or Dec.. But the ultimate result will be good. The end of all bad news though? Hardly.

But this golden trine now forming and coming up this month is a truly remarkable, beneficent and rare cosmic event. It can't not be mentioned! So far it is proving itself beyond my expectations! That's great.
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Where did you get those? Did you read my book? Those were not "predictions I made here." !!

War on Iran in 2008? whut?

In my book it was actually worse; as I thought it would be Gore who was the potential victim.

But I am still waiting for that cultural golden age; hope springs eternal!
Your website:

War on Iran in 2008? whut?
In September 2007 he may have to respond to violent incidents there against Americans. The U.S. could strike out at Iran late in the year or early in 2008, when Mars turns stationary in Gemini. Also, since 2007 is the climax of the Saturn-Neptune cycle that began with their conjunction in 1989, all nations liberated that year could make major changes in their governments (especially in March 2007), powered by enormous mass movements for human rights. This may include China, where the Tienanmen Square massacre could finally be avenged.
In my book it was actually worse; as I thought it would be Gore who was the potential victim.
So, doubly wrong.

He was an alchemist too.
Exactly.

My crystal ball holds good news over the next month and probably two. Some shit will hit the fan in the coming years, no doubt, including next Spring and possibly this Nov. or Dec.. But the ultimate result will be good. The end of all bad news though? Hardly.

But this golden trine now forming and coming up this month is a truly remarkable, beneficent and rare cosmic event. It can't not be mentioned! So far it is proving itself beyond my expectations! That's great.
We'll see how it turns out.







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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
Yes, that's a chapter from my book. If you read more from my site, you'll see I made many correct predictions too. And anyway, my contention here was that I made correct predictions on THIS website.

PS: A strike out at Iran is not a war; I meant it more like the missile strikes Clinton made on Iraq. The war cycle is different. This year is more dangerous, actually.

So, doubly wrong.
Astrologers can be wrong, but I have a better record that any pundit. You should be willing to respect the facts that I have made many predictions correctly, rather than give a knee-jerk, belief-based response and look for any possible failure. Why be close-minded? What do you lose if astrology is proven true?

Exactly.
And so what? You don't respect his physics, then? The fact that so many scientists respected astrology in the early days should give you pause. It is NOT "irrational" at all.

We'll see how it turns out.
The signs look good now. The trine is bringing out the energies of the people, with the Mars-Jupiter-Neptune combo being the one that fired up the Marseillaise and other peoples' movements, as well as the Uranus-Pluto ongoing square of these times, correctly-predicted by me and other astrologers to usher in times of revolution. It is happening.

Revolutions can go wrong; the Egyptian one has run into troubles. The new boss was the same as the old boss. How will the Muslim Brotherhood respond if Morsi loses power this week? Will the military have to shoot them down? Will the military relinquish power in turn? Will the trine usher in a new constitution, as I predicted, which could inspire others this summer? I am optimistic; the more things can be resolved this Summer, the better things will go for "what Tunisia started." It is the French Revolution, the 1848, the 1968, the 1989 of our time.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Yes, that's a chapter from my book. If you read more from my site, you'll see I made many correct predictions too. And anyway, my contention here was that I made correct predictions on THIS website.
So, you made a huge number of vague and often contradictory guesses. Some guesses are then retroactively claimed to fit an initially vague guess and we are supposed to ignore the many, many wrong guesses.

You really, really don't understand what fallacious thinking is, do you?

PS: A strike out at Iran is not a war; I meant it more like the missile strikes Clinton made on Iraq. The war cycle is different. This year is more dangerous, actually.

Astrologers can be wrong, but I have a better record that any pundit.
So, your guessing is better than the guessing of others? Care to put up any measurable numbers?

You should be willing to respect the facts that I have made many predictions correctly, rather than give a knee-jerk, belief-based response and look for any possible failure.
Because you refuse to examine your failures, you continue to fail to understand why astrology is complete bunk. You routinely accuse others of ignoring the data but hypocritically continue to ignore the data on your own guessing.

Why be close-minded?
Refusing to accept utter hokum is not being close minded. It's being intelligent.

What do you lose if astrology is proven true?
What do I lose if pink unicorn farts actually smell of lilacs?

And so what?
It shows that even a profound thinker can make mistakes.

You don't respect his physics, then?
His physics have withstood continuous scientific testing. His physics allowed others to make more discoveries.

His alchemy and his astrology did neither.

The fact that so many scientists respected astrology in the early days should give you pause. It is NOT "irrational" at all.
1 - Those weren't scientists in the modern sense of the term. Science as a process was only just beginning to be shaped at that time.

2 - Once science as a process was developed, all the old ideas of astrology failed to produce any positive results. Belief in the efficacy of astrology despite its scientific failure is the very definition of being irrational.

The signs look good now. The trine is bringing out the energies of the people, with the Mars-Jupiter-Neptune combo being the one that fired up the Marseillaise and other peoples' movements, as well as the Uranus-Pluto ongoing square of these times, correctly-predicted by me and other astrologers to usher in times of revolution. It is happening.
Selective memory of vague predictions, no more.

Revolutions can go wrong; the Egyptian one has run into troubles. The new boss was the same as the old boss. How will the Muslim Brotherhood respond if Morsi loses power this week? Will the military have to shoot them down? Will the military relinquish power in turn? Will the trine usher in a new constitution, as I predicted, which could inspire others this summer? I am optimistic; the more things can be resolved this Summer, the better things will go for "what Tunisia started." It is the French Revolution, the 1848, the 1968, the 1989 of our time.







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Yes, that's a chapter from my book. If you read more from my site, you'll see I made many correct predictions too.
You certainly made lots of vague predictions. I guess you could say some of them were correct, if you squint real hard.

And anyway, my contention here was that I made correct predictions on THIS website.
Why the distinction, are you disavowing the website?

PS: A strike out at Iran is not a war; I meant it more like the missile strikes Clinton made on Iraq. The war cycle is different. This year is more dangerous, actually.
Still didn't happen. Drawing from your website, are you acknowledging Syria as a likely quagmire if we get involved?

Astrologers can be wrong, but I have a better record that any pundit.
Eric, just about everyone has a better track record than most pundits. So would a tankful of manatees rolling idea balls around with their heads. Political "experts" are basically worthless.

You should be willing to respect the facts that I have made many predictions correctly, rather than give a knee-jerk, belief-based response and look for any possible failure. Why be close-minded? What do you lose if astrology is proven true?
Seriously, dude, I know this is going to come as a huge blow, but I actually went to and read your website, and I'm not in the least bit impressed. And I'm not just saying that because it's hideous. Honestly, did you last update it in the 90s? What's with the color scheme? It gives me a headache trying to read it.

But I've already linked to your website upthread, and said what I thought. You make lots and lots of very vague predictions, which you are very liberal in interpreting after the fact. And then, having convinced yourself of their utter specificity and relevance to what actually happened, you are a huge dick about it with everyone else. It's one of the major things undermining your credibility with a lot of posters around here.
And so what? You don't respect his physics, then? The fact that so many scientists respected astrology in the early days should give you pause. It is NOT "irrational" at all.
On the contrary, I have great respect for his physics and mathematics, they've withstood the test of time. His alchemy, a subject which was also respected by many early natural philosphers, did not. He wasn't even willing to publish his treatise on it in his own lifetime.

The signs look good now. The trine is bringing out the energies of the people, with the Mars-Jupiter-Neptune combo being the one that fired up the Marseillaise and other peoples' movements, as well as the Uranus-Pluto ongoing square of these times, correctly-predicted by me and other astrologers to usher in times of revolution. It is happening. Revolutions can go wrong; the Egyptian one has run into troubles. The new boss was the same as the old boss. How will the Muslim Brotherhood respond if Morsi loses power this week? Will the military have to shoot them down? Will the military relinquish power in turn? Will the trine usher in a new constitution, as I predicted, which could inspire others this summer? I am optimistic; the more things can be resolved this Summer, the better things will go for "what Tunisia started." It is the French Revolution, the 1848, the 1968, the 1989 of our time.
*shrug*

We shall see. As to Egypt's new boss being the same as the old boss, that's because they are one and the same. The military has been the leader of Egypt since the Officer's Coup, and only Nasser had the stature to rule in his own right. The rest of them (Sadat, Mubarak) have just been functionaries of the deep state. Mubarak got toppled by the military, not the people, because he was failing at his job, and started having delusions of being above the institutions that put him where he was. His grooming his son Gamal to succeed him was an example of this, one which did not endear him to his peers. Egypt's real revolution has barely begun.

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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
You certainly made lots of vague predictions. I guess you could say some of them were correct, if you squint real hard.
You can call them vague, but that doesn't deny their significance.

Why the distinction, are you disavowing the website?
Because we were discussing only what I said here.

Still didn't happen. Drawing from your website, are you acknowledging Syria as a likely quagmire if we get involved?
True, it didn't happen (corrected to what I actually predicted). Syria would be a quagmire if we got involved, but not if we just provide weapons.

Eric, just about everyone has a better track record than most pundits. So would a tankful of manatees rolling idea balls around with their heads. Political "experts" are basically worthless.
But they still get all the press, and I don't.

Seriously, dude, I know this is going to come as a huge blow, but I actually went to and read your website, and I'm not in the least bit impressed. And I'm not just saying that because it's hideous. Honestly, did you last update it in the 90s? What's with the color scheme? It gives me a headache trying to read it.
I don't know for sure what you mean, but I like purple.

If you are not the least bit impressed, than you are not open-minded. I don't expect skeptics to be impressed, unless they are open-minded.
But I've already linked to your website upthread, and said what I thought. You make lots and lots of very vague predictions, which you are very liberal in interpreting after the fact. And then, having convinced yourself of their utter specificity and relevance to what actually happened, you are a huge dick about it with everyone else. It's one of the major things undermining your credibility with a lot of posters around here.
If I don't point out my successful predictions, no one will know. I disagree that they are as vague and liberally-interpreted as you say. It is a fact that no matter how many correct predictions I make, people still address my reference to astrology as nothing but a belief. That is not really very honest of you and many others here.

Astrology predictions are always going to be somewhat vague though. Dealing with human behavior, it can never be an exact science, however much we might want to try to impress unyielding critics such as yourself. It is amazing how specific some of them have been. As always, with more study and inspiration, I can do better. I only have so much time. The subject will improve as more people respect it, as Rick Tarnas pointed out. Did you bother to watch his video?
On the contrary, I have great respect for his physics and mathematics, they've withstood the test of time. His alchemy, a subject which was also respected by many early natural philosophers, did not. He wasn't even willing to publish his treatise on it in his own lifetime.
You are very selective about what you denounce among his interests; in other words, whatever is out of fashion. Alchemy is still very valuable, applied to its proper sphere of competence. The fact is, physicists still respected astrology and the hermetic sciences for quite a while, although you admit they were rational folks. The fact is, physics and mathematics of the 18th-century type will become less and less valuable as the new age dawns, and older sciences of the hermetic type will become more valuable, because our penchant for destroying the planet and alienating people is part and parcel of the old physics and mathematics, and the need for a more holistic approach beckons us toward astrology and alchemy.

We shall see. As to Egypt's new boss being the same as the old boss, that's because they are one and the same. The military has been the leader of Egypt since the Officer's Coup, and only Nasser had the stature to rule in his own right. The rest of them (Sadat, Mubarak) have just been functionaries of the deep state. Mubarak got toppled by the military, not the people, because he was failing at his job, and started having delusions of being above the institutions that put him where he was. His grooming his son Gamal to succeed him was an example of this, one which did not endear him to his peers. Egypt's real revolution has barely begun.
You are right, subject to your usual exaggeration and careless thinking. The people have been very important in moving the military to take action.
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Post#395 at 07-02-2013 02:17 PM by JordanGoodspeed [at joined Mar 2013 #posts 3,587]
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You can call them vague, but that doesn't deny their significance.
Lol, "something will happen at some point, unless it doesn't," is hardly useful. It has no real predictive power. Now, given the extent to which a lot of your predictions tend to involve a great deal of wish-fullfillment (and don't all of our fantasies do the same), they might have some utility to you if people believed in them enough for them to become self-fullfilling. Unfortunately for you, and this is just an observation, you don't really appear to have built up much of an audience for them, here at least, and your presentation seems to turn a lot of people off. I know it irritates me to no end. As I suggested in the other thread, perhaps you ought to try a different rhetorical approach.

Because we were discussing only what I said here.
I don't remember agreeing to that condition. Are you less confident in those predictions?

True, it didn't happen (corrected to what I actually predicted). Syria would be a quagmire if we got involved, but not if we just provide weapons.
So much for awesome predictive powers. And, if I recall correctly (I don't feel like subjecting my eyes to that twice in so many days), you predicted that we WOULD get involved in 2012, and that it would be another quagmire. So, no dice again.

But they still get all the press, and I don't.
You just have to work on your presentation.

I don't know for sure what you mean, but I like purple.
And I like the color orange, but I don't use it in my stationary. It looks tacky and unprofessional. Was the website on Geocities at some point? It has that look to it.

If you are not the least bit impressed, than you are not open-minded. I don't expect skeptics to be impressed, unless they are open-minded.
Do you understand how childish that sounds? How old are you?

If I don't point out my successful predictions, no one will know. I disagree that they are as vague and liberally-interpreted as you say. It is a fact that no matter how many correct predictions I make, people still address my reference to astrology as nothing but a belief. That is not really very honest of you and many others here.
I actually went a dug up two whole pages of your predictions, and posted them to this thread. Let people judge for themselves. You come across as needy and insecure like this.

Astrology predictions are always going to be somewhat vague though. Dealing with human behavior, it can never be an exact science, however much we might want to try to impress unyielding critics such as yourself. It is amazing how specific some of them have been. As always, with more study and inspiration, I can do better. I only have so much time. The subject will improve as more people respect it, as Rick Tarnas pointed out. Did you bother to watch his video?
There none so blind as those who would not see. What that means in this case, well, we can agree to disagree.

You are very selective about what you denounce among his interests; in other words, whatever is out of fashion. Alchemy is still very valuable, applied to its proper sphere of competence. The fact is, physicists still respected astrology and the hermetic sciences for quite a while, although you admit they were rational folks. The fact is, physics and mathematics of the 18th-century type will become less and less valuable as the new age dawns, and older sciences of the hermetic type will become more valuable, because our penchant for destroying the planet and alienating people is part and parcel of the old physics and mathematics, and the need for a more holistic approach beckons us toward astrology and alchemy.
What exactly constitutes alchemy's "proper sphere of competence"?

You are right, subject to your usual exaggeration and careless thinking. The people have been very important in moving the military to take action.
So I take it you are fine with the likely upcoming coup? Care to make any predictions as to the outcome? I'll try to keep an open mind.







Post#396 at 07-02-2013 03:12 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
You [Eric] certainly made lots of vague predictions...
-You're wrong. These 9 AUG 2002 predictions aren't necessarily vague:

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Not in 2002. Maybe in 2003, late Summer or early Fall; but if so it will be a botched job and we'll have to withdraw. There could be naval disasters.

I'd say Democrats, although redistricting will keep the change from being too big.

Continued volatile and unstable; another downturn in Summer 2003; recovery by 2005; great crash sometime during or after Fall 2008. Economic transformation and recovery later in the 2010s decade.

I'd love to see Gore win the race he was supposed to win in 2000; however my crystal ball says he won't win. If Bush wins he could be assassinated or wounded and have to leave. We could end up with Powell by 2005. Daschell and Gephardt are possibilities; I haven't looked too closely at Daschell yet. Kerry probably not...
...just wrong, on the whole. Hmmm... Checking out Eric's predictions might be entertaining, when I get the chance...







Post#397 at 07-02-2013 03:19 PM by JordanGoodspeed [at joined Mar 2013 #posts 3,587]
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It's totally worth it, if you can get over the color scheme.







Post#398 at 07-02-2013 03:42 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
Lol, "something will happen at some point, unless it doesn't," is hardly useful. It has no real predictive power. Now, given the extent to which a lot of your predictions tend to involve a great deal of wish-fullfillment (and don't all of our fantasies do the same), they might have some utility to you if people believed in them enough for them to become self-fullfilling. Unfortunately for you, and this is just an observation, you don't really appear to have built up much of an audience for them, here at least, and your presentation seems to turn a lot of people off. I know it irritates me to no end. As I suggested in the other thread, perhaps you ought to try a different rhetorical approach.
Sure it is; it is still a specific prediction that something well-defined might happen. Sometimes my predictions are more certain the others, but none can be totally certain, because humans have free-will-- something the scientism viewpoint can't allow for. Most of the time I just make predictions, but when people such as yourself just repeat the mantra that astrology is a belief system of wish-fulfillment, without recognizing the validity of my predictions and other facts that validate astrology, then I might pop their balloon. Perhaps I could improve my rhetoric indeed, but perhaps you could look in the mirror too. You have yet to recognize your own mistakes.

I don't remember agreeing to that condition. Are you less confident in those predictions?
You agreed to it, because that's what I was talking about in the post you responded to. I am more confident now, yes, because of more study and experience. I was not as careful in my book as I could have been, but nevertheless there is a remarkable record that I am recording, and will make available soon. The more significant the event, the more likely I have been to be right. As I wrote in response to another skeptic here some time back, about half the major events that have happened over the last 40 years, I have predicted. And he at least complimented me about my prediction that Santorum would surge in the primaries (and eventually fail). My timing for this was right on the money too. And toward the end I beat all the pundits to predict the exact electoral vote.

So much for awesome predictive powers. And, if I recall correctly (I don't feel like subjecting my eyes to that twice in so many days), you predicted that we WOULD get involved in 2012, and that it would be another quagmire. So, no dice again.
I did not predict that we WOULD get involved militarily. Just that if we DID get involved militarily, it would be a quagmire. When you try to debunk my predictions, get them right. I do not have a perfect record, by no means, but I seem to have an almost-perfect record here on this website.

And I like the color orange, but I don't use it in my stationary. It looks tacky and unprofessional. Was the website on Geocities at some point? It has that look to it.
No it wasn't. Your opinion is noted, with due allowance for the fact that you hate the content as much as the presentation.

Do you understand how childish that sounds? How old are you?
It does not sound childish at all. Astrology skeptics such as yourself are not likely to be convinced, no matter what the facts are. Scientism is a virtual religion, and science fundamentalists like vandal (and yourself??) are no more likely than Christian or Muslim ones to recognize any contradiction to their beliefs.

I actually went and dug up two whole pages of your predictions, and posted them to this thread. Let people judge for themselves. You come across as needy and insecure like this.
I only make predictions here, and point out my successes so that the evidence is available. Sometimes I feel the need to tangle with skeptics such as yourself, and I am sorry if my rhetoric is offensive. I don't mean it to be.
What exactly constitutes alchemy's "proper sphere of competence"?
It is remarkable in its ability to understand processes of transformation, and a holistic view of physical existence that is also spiritual. It is a philosophy, and those who master it attain "the philosophers' stone." But the "great work" is mostly a spiritual discipline.

So I take it you are fine with the likely upcoming coup? Care to make any predictions as to the outcome? I'll try to keep an open mind.
My best guess is that Morsi will be deposed, and the military will do a better job this time in doing what they promise to bring about a new order. The grand trine does indeed predict a fortunate outcome, at least during the next 2 months. If a good foundation can be laid at this time, a fortune outcome is more likely. I am sanguine about the eventual outcome of Egypt's Arab Spring Revolution, even if the road will still have bumps ahead. That is how revolutions go. But over the next few years, the people will succeed, and a democracy that respects diverse groups and human rights will be developed. OK then, you heard it here.
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Post#399 at 07-02-2013 03:55 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
It's totally worth it, if you can get over the color scheme.
-No, I meant the ones here, on the 4TF.







Post#400 at 07-02-2013 03:56 PM by JordanGoodspeed [at joined Mar 2013 #posts 3,587]
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-No, I meant the ones here, on the 4TF.
Color scheme shouldn't be an issue then.
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