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Post#226 at 05-03-2007 11:30 AM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
Nowadays Russians cross the border to work in China, that gives a idea how high Chinese living standards are now.
Don't read too much into that. What's actually happening in a lot of cases is cross-border work for both Chinese and Russians. There's getting to be a pretty damn good relationship built up between China and Russia on the back of mutual benefits and increasingly long-term relationships.

The nearly-finished highway from the China Sea up through Mongolia, meeting up with the Trans-Siberian Highway at around Ulan-Ude, is one of the big subjects for talk these days. Watch what happens to cross-border trade once the current 45-day sea voyage from Shanghai to Peterburg turns into a 2-3 week drive...
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Don't read too much into that. What's actually happening in a lot of cases is cross-border work for both Chinese and Russians. There's getting to be a pretty damn good relationship built up between China and Russia on the back of mutual benefits and increasingly long-term relationships.

The nearly-finished highway from the China Sea up through Mongolia, meeting up with the Trans-Siberian Highway at around Ulan-Ude, is one of the big subjects for talk these days. Watch what happens to cross-border trade once the current 45-day sea voyage from Shanghai to Peterburg turns into a 2-3 week drive...
"And I'm looking fer a Chinese-speaking rest stop - relief driver dam' well better be waiting fer me there...."

Oh, yes, if it's a 2-3 week drive, they will end up with truck stops all along the highway, with a possible mixture of Chinese and Russian cooking and music (well, and lot lizards, but that one goes back to the chimps at least) - and a truck-drivin' culture which probably owes a whole lot to Siberia and Mongolia - Justin, I can't wait to get reports out of the Central Asian backwoods now. Wild!
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
Oh, yes, if it's a 2-3 week drive, they will end up with truck stops all along the highway, with a possible mixture of Chinese and Russian cooking and music
Truck stops are still a ways off. Right now, you're better than eight hundred miles between mechanics in the eastern stretches of Russia -- and I shudder to think of what the several hundred mile stretch through the Gobi must be like.
As for the Siberian or Mongolian trucker culture; it has been my experience that truckers are much the same no matter where you go. The first thing they do is deactivate any automatic speed-limiters on their vehicle, then crank the horsepower up on their engine (much easier to do now that engines are for the most part electronically-controlled these days) then start putting little lights on every edge and flat surface all over their truck and trailer. And a truly bizarre number of Russian drivers (as well as a lot of Aussies and Kiwis, about half the Indonesian drivers I met, and practically all the Chinese ones) seem to go for either cowboy hats, big belt buckles, or both. I suspect the diesel fumes must do some sort of very specific damage to the brain; they'll probably name a syndrome for it.
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Post#229 at 05-30-2007 06:38 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Where The Right Went Wrong, by Patrick Buchanan

Quoting Buchanan:

"China's ambitions, to be discovered in the statements of her military and in her actions, appear as follows:

Convert her two hundred-mile Exclusive Economic Zone and the skies above into national territory that no nation's planes or vessels may transit without permission. Thus, the repeated interferences with U.S. planes and ships.

Assert sovereignty over the Spratlys and all submerged reefs and uninhabited islands in the South China Sea and extend her territorial waters one thousand miles south to Indonesia and the Philippines. Foreign vessels, including U.S. warships, would traverse these waters at the sufferance of Beijing. Ultimate objective: convert the South China Sea into a Chinese Chesapeake Bay.

Effect the slow detachment of Siberia from Moscow by moving emigrants across the Amur and Ussuri Rivers into these vast depopulated lands that belonged to China before 1860, even as Mexicans are moving back into former Mexican territories in the American Southwest.

Expel U.S. bases from Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikstan and bring the ex-Soviet republics neighboring China into Beijing's orbit.







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Where The Right Went Wrong, by Patrick Buchanan

Continuing the quote:

Restore Taiwan to Beijing, by force if necessary. This would add mightily to China's presige and economic power and put her air and naval forces on an unsinkable aircraft carrier athwart Japan's oil lifeline. The deployment of five hundred missles opposite Taiwan can have but two purposes: Intimidate Taipei into surrendering its autonomy, or attack and break Taiwan before the United States can intervene.

Ultimately, eject U.S. power from the Western Pacific back to Hawaii, Midway, and Guam....

....strategists have been quoted as saying that by 2020, China intends to dominate the Western Pacific 'out to the second island chain.' This would include not only Taiwan, but Japan and the Philippines."







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Future Jihad by Walid Phares

The book mentions a Muslim dream of a Caliphate from Indonesia to the Phillipines. Will we see a clash(es) involving Islam, China, and Japan?







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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
The book mentions a Muslim dream of a Caliphate from Indonesia to the Phillipines. Will we see a clash(es) involving Islam, China, and Japan?
More like a trade war.
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Rise in China's Pork Prices Signal End to Cheap Output

GAOYAO, China, June 1 — Few things are as essential to the Chinese as their pigs.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/08/bu...ss&oref=slogin
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Post#234 at 06-10-2007 02:47 PM by Mr. Reed [at Intersection of History joined Jun 2001 #posts 4,376]
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Chinese Millies Going to College

The Chinese Millennial Generation seems to be coming of age.

College Exam Impacts All of China

BEIJING, Jun 08, 2007 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Ma Long stood across from the school, flanked by his parents, nervously clutching a cold bottle of green tea and waiting to finish a test that would determine his future - one of 9.5 million students across China taking the college entrance exam.
Education is unrivaled in importance in China, and the two-day test that ended Friday is one of the few events that can bring the country to a standstill. Cities ordered drivers not to blow their horns, construction sites were shut down, streets near test sites were closed and flight paths were altered - lest the noise disturb test-takers.
"This is the culmination of years of studies. This test will decide the rest of their lives," said Ma Jingshun, speaking for his son, a hulking 18-year-old whose voice had sunk to a soft mumble because of nerves.
Unlike the U.S., where standardized test scores are just one factor weighed by universities, how Chinese students do on the "gaokao" determines everything. Students list their top three schools and their major and hope their score is high enough to win a place.
Extracurricular activities do not count, and neither do high school grades. And forget writing about volunteer work; there are no essays to persuade admissions officers.
The Ministry of Education says only 5.7 million students - or 60 percent of those who take the test - will be able to enter college. Those who do not make the cut must wait a year to take the test again.
"For every family, once their child gets to senior year, it's all about them. The family life revolves around them," said Ma Jingshun, adding that he wanted to comfort his son before heading to work. But the father's presence appeared to be making the teen even more anxious.
In recent decades, the policy that limits most families to one child has created a culture where parents and grandparents dote on so-called "little emperors." The lavish attention goes into overdrive during testing time.
The importance of education and the key role of exams have been a feature in Chinese life for 2,000 years. Passing rigorous exams based on classical texts was necessary to gain entry to the Confucian bureaucracy that ran the country in imperial times.
Ma Long, whose first choice is to study computer engineering at the Beijing University of Technology, shifted uncomfortably on his feet while waiting outside Beijing Middle School No. 119, tucked behind towering office buildings. He refused to answer a question posed in English, the subject of his afternoon test.
Ren Peijie, a bespectacled 20-year-old, had a pragmatic approach to the exam.
"You go to school so when you get out you can get a job and make a living. You don't go to school just to go to school," he said.
His parents stayed home. "We're Christian so they asked Jesus to help me," he explained.
Ma Long's mom, Wang Chunlan, spent two days sitting outside the test site, trying to stay cool in 97 degree heat, waiting with dozens of other parents to comfort or encourage their teens during lunch breaks.
At some test sites, volunteers handed out fans printed with the message, "Dreams Come True."
Wang said she has been cooking foods for her son that are considered particularly good for worn-out students, with plenty of vegetables and less grease.
"Oily foods, it's bad for the brain, it makes the brain slow down," she said, adding that heavy food can also cause nausea.
Wang's efforts are mild compared to those of some families.
On Friday morning, one mother rubbed traditional herbal medicine on her son's temples. State media reported concerned parents in Shanghai were trying to buy the prescription drug Ritalin for their children, believing it would boost concentration.
Other families hire special nannies with backgrounds in education or psychology to help their children prepare for the test, ease their jitters and cook healthy meals.
Hotels near test sites are full during testing time, booked by parents who want their children to sleep as late as possible and nap during the 3 1/2-hour lunch break.
The reach of the test extends far beyond the students and their families, as officials across China make every effort to accommodate stressed-out teens.
In many cities, police were on high alert for any traffic jams that could make students late. On Thursday, at least three students in Beijing were ferried to the test on police motorcycles, China Central Television reported.
Though construction in China's booming cities normally runs 24 hours, some sites have been required to stop work at night because the sounds of pounding hammers and buzzing saws could keep students awake.
And in Chengdu, a city in western Sichuan province, parents lobbied successfully to change the flight path of planes taking off and landing at one airport, saying the noise would distract those at a nearby test site, CCTV reported.
On Friday evening, hundreds of parents lined the street leading to the front gate of Beijing Middle School No. 119, edging closer and closer as the 5 p.m. finish time neared.
Li Yukun gripped a bouquet of pink roses, a gift for her 18-year-old daughter who has been tutored every weekend since middle school.
"These 12 years have been so hard. These roses are to show her that I care, it's been so hard for her, not one day of rest," the mother said.
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A Handshake?

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/jun...reatenswar.htm

China promised to escalate preparations for war in advance of a potential conflict, after President Bush shook hands with a Taiwanese government official yesterday.







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Quote Originally Posted by MichaelEaston View Post
This "Prison Planet" hardly looks like a reputable source, but if true, this is worrying to say the least.
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750,000 a year killed by Chinese pollution

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/8f40e248-28c...0779e2340.html

Beijing engineered the removal of nearly a third of a World Bank report on pollution in China because of concerns that findings on premature deaths could provoke “social unrest”.

The report, produced in co-operation with Chinese government ministries over several years, found about 750,000 people die prematurely in China each year, mainly from air pollution in large cities.

China’s State Environment Protection Agency (Sepa) and health ministry asked the World Bank to cut the calculations of premature deaths from the report when a draft was finished last year, according to Bank advisers and Chinese officials.

Advisers to the research team said ministries told them this information, including a detailed map showing which parts of the country suffered the most deaths, was too sensitive.

“The World Bank was told that it could not publish this information. It was too sensitive and could cause social unrest,” one adviser to the study told the Financial Times.

Sixteen of the world’s 20 most polluted cities are in China, according to previous World Bank research.







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Meanwhile, check out this China-related story:

http://www.silive.com/news/advance/i...300.xml&coll=1

Pay particular attention to the ninth paragraph.
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But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.

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China arms both sides

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...107270092/1008

Iraq's new government recently concluded a deal with China worth almost $100 million to outfit Iraqi police with Kalashnikov-design assault rifles and other small arms in a move that has U.S. defense and national security officials fuming.

The arms deal shows that Beijing is arming both sides of the Iraq conflict, as recent intelligence reports show that Chinese weaponry is being shipped to Iraqi and Afghan insurgents through Iran. Defense officials said the arms deal with Baghdad was concluded during the visit to Beijing by Iraqi President Jalal Talbani last month.

Brig. General Qasim Ata, an Iraq police spokesman, was quoted recently as saying the contracts with China were for imports of "advanced" Chinese weapons for the Iraqi armed forces.

One Bush administration official called the deal "extremely foolish."

"Buying weapons from China will accelerate the alienation of America," the official said. "Iraq purchasing PLA weapons along with the emerging PRC oil deal will contribute mightily to end game Iraq for the United States." The PLA is the acronym for China's military.

The official said the Iraqi government needs to better understand that the U.S. military is fighting and dying to give their nation the opportunity for a free and open society and government. "It is not the PLA, in fact the PLA is arming Iranians to kill Iraqis and Americans," the official said.

Disclosure of the Iraqi government arms deal with China comes as a U.S. military spokesman this week confirmed the flow of Chinese shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles to insurgents, first reported in this paper June 5.

Rear Adm. Mark Fox told reporters Sunday Chinese missiles found in Iraq likely were smuggled into the country from Iran. "We have seen ordnance and weapons that come from other places, but we assess that they have come through Iran," Adm. Fox said. "There are missiles that are actually manufactured in China that we assess come through Iran as well."

China's Foreign Ministry accused the United States yesterday of misleading the public over the Chinese weapons smuggling.

Richard Fisher, a China specialist with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the Iraqi government deal heightens the danger from insurgents.

"Soon we will face two Chinese threats in Iraq, the first from Chinese arms arriving via their Iranian allies, and second from Chinese arms captured from the Iraqi government," he said.

"From oil deals now to arms deals, we are allowing China to benefit from the stability earned with American blood," Mr. Fisher said. "China, let's recall, was helping Saddam to shoot down U.S. aircraft" — a reference to China's supplying fiber-optic communications to Saddam's military.

New nuke strategy

The Bush administration told Congress this week that U.S. nuclear weapons and the infrastructure to support them will be needed for the foreseeable future, as Russia and China continue to build up their nuclear arsenals and rogue states such as Iran and North Korea continue work on nuclear arms.

"We're going to need nuclear weapons for a while and we're going to need to make them safer and more secure," said Steve Henry, assistant secretary of defense for nuclear matters, in summing up the report to Congress on U.S. nuclear strategy.

The report, "National Security and Nuclear Weapons: Maintaining Deterrence for the 21st Century," is a statement by the secretaries of energy, defense and state.

It stated that "the future security environment is very uncertain, and some trends are not favorable."

"Rogue states either have or seek weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons, and the risk of future proliferation cannot be ignored," the report said. "The future direction that any number of states may take, including some established nuclear powers with aggressive nuclear force modernization programs, could have a dramatic effect on U.S. security and the security of our allies."

Mr. Henry said Russia and China both are established powers with nuclear buildups under way that need watching and require the United States to keep nuclear weapons ready and to have a system in place, with both people and facilities, that could respond to any potential unsettling strategic imbalances.

On Russia, Mr. Henry said, "You can't ignore what countries say and their rhetoric, and you can't ignore what they are doing in practice."

The Russians are "aggressively modernizing their nuclear forces," he said, and China is building new strategic nuclear forces and the buildup cannot be ignored.

The United States is "a little bit unsure as to the future of their program," Mr. Henry said. "Today [China's program] is much smaller than the U.S. or that of the Russians, but how do you judge what the future may be?"

Mr. Henry also said the United States is worried that al Qaeda and other terrorists will obtain nuclear weapons, specifically getting nuclear material from rogue states, and that U.S. nuclear weapons can be used to deter those states from supplying terrorists with that material. Such states would be "held accountable" if their nuclear material is used in attacks on the United States, he said.

The report said the nuclear programs of Iran and North Korea show the need for the United States to provide nuclear guarantees to key allies.

Mr. Henry said the United States is committed to reducing nuclear stockpiles but must maintain capabilities for security.

One of the most important elements of current nuclear arms strategy is developing the Reliable Replacement Warhead, a newer, safer and more reliable warhead that will be fashioned from existing warheads but will be less expensive to maintain, Mr. Henry said.

The report said without the replacement warhead, the ability of the United States to maintain its nuclear deterrent over the long term will be in question.

The United States plans to have a strategic nuclear warhead arsenal of between 1,700 and 2,200 by 2012, the report said.







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China Denies Hacking Pentagon Computers

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070904/D8REKE281.html

BEIJING (AP) - China on Tuesday denied a report that its military had hacked into Pentagon computers, saying the allegations were "groundless" and that Beijing was opposed to cybercrime.

The Financial Times, citing unnamed officials, reported Monday that the People's Liberation Army hacked into a computer system in the office of Defense Secretary Robert Gates in June. The attack forced officials to take down the network for more than a week, the report said.

"Some people make groundless accusations against China" that its military attacked the Pentagon, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said at a regular news briefing.

"China has all along been opposed to and forbids criminal activities undermining computer networks, including hacking," she said. "China is ready to strengthen cooperation with other countries, including the U.S., in countering Internet crimes."

The Financial Times report said the Pentagon was still investigating how much information was stolen, but cited an unnamed person as saying that most of it was probably unclassified.

It was the second time in two weeks that China was accused of hacking into a foreign government's computers. On the eve of German Chancellor Angela Merkel's visit to Beijing last week, the weekly Der Spiegel said computers at the Chancellery and three ministries had been infected with so-called Trojans, or spy programs.
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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
Quoting Buchanan:

"China's ambitions, to be discovered in the statements of her military and in her actions, appear as follows:

Convert her two hundred-mile Exclusive Economic Zone and the skies above into national territory that no nation's planes or vessels may transit without permission. Thus, the repeated interferences with U.S. planes and ships.

Assert sovereignty over the Spratlys and all submerged reefs and uninhabited islands in the South China Sea and extend her territorial waters one thousand miles south to Indonesia and the Philippines. Foreign vessels, including U.S. warships, would traverse these waters at the sufferance of Beijing. Ultimate objective: convert the South China Sea into a Chinese Chesapeake Bay.

Effect the slow detachment of Siberia from Moscow by moving emigrants across the Amur and Ussuri Rivers into these vast depopulated lands that belonged to China before 1860, even as Mexicans are moving back into former Mexican territories in the American Southwest.

Expel U.S. bases from Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikstan and bring the ex-Soviet republics neighboring China into Beijing's orbit.
Siberia and Central Asia belong to the Russian Empire under Her Imperial Majesty Empress Maria I of Russia AND TO NO ONE ELSE!







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Quote Originally Posted by sean '90 View Post
Siberia and Central Asia belong to the Russian Empire under Her Imperial Majesty Empress Maria I of Russia AND TO NO ONE ELSE!
WHAT?!?!? Don't you dare run that one by the Emperor, you red-faced, round-eyed barbarian. The Middle Kingdom has always belonged to the Emperor, because he has the Mandate of Heaven. Though the Emperor Mao somewhat misused it. (Signed) Confucius.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
WHAT?!?!? Don't you dare run that one by the Emperor, you red-faced, round-eyed barbarian. The Middle Kingdom has always belonged to the Emperor, because he has the Mandate of Heaven. Though the Emperor Mao somewhat misused it. (Signed) Confucius.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
WHAT?!?!? Don't you dare run that one by the Emperor, you red-faced, round-eyed barbarian. The Middle Kingdom has always belonged to the Emperor, because he has the Mandate of Heaven. Though the Emperor Mao somewhat misused it. (Signed) Confucius.
The Empress of Russia is better than Emperor Yuyan of China. Russia pwns China every time!







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Message to Taiwan

Speech by Thomas J. Christensen, State Department Deputy Assistant Secretary for East Asian and Pacific Affairs.

A Strong and Moderate Taiwan

In summary: Taiwan, for God's sake, keep arming yourself. We support you, but we don't support your independence, because we don't want to piss off mainland China. Your best friend, America.







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Cool Olympic sized fun for all

I've always felt that political freedom should be a consideration in deciding who get the Olympic games. Futher, I can't help but feel that the Beijing Olympics will be compaired to the Berlin Olymipcs of 1936. Incedents like this increase my suspicions.

BEIJING – Cool heads staved off a potential international incident involving uniformed Chinese security guards and – of all things – the autograph of nearly washed-up Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Chan Ho Park.

Less than an hour after the Dodgers and San Diego Padres played to a 3-3 tie at Wukesong Stadium on Saturday in the first Major League game in China, a group of about 40 fans of Korean descent converged at the door of the Dodgers clubhouse as Park exited, wanting their longtime national hero and countryman to sign balls, jerseys and caps.
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Chinese turf

Click on map of Qing dynasty China.







Post#250 at 03-19-2008 08:30 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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03-19-2008, 08:30 PM #250
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Hegemon

I think Hegemon is the title, but I didn't bother to scribble title or author when I photocopied the material a few years back.

"...Where existing national boundaries fail to conform to the Qing Empire at its height, they tend to be suspect. The reestablishment of China's regional hegemony in Asia may well result, especially in the north and east, in an attempt to redraw existing borders.


"The ideological justification for Beijings's intervention in the affairs of neighboring states is the unsquestioned superiority of the Chinese way of life, the flip side of which is the special responsibility that China feels towards the less-favored peoples on its periphery. Even today, the Chinese possess an inordinate sense of their own superiority-over the Tibetans, for example. Jiang Zemin, boastisng of the social and cultural benefits that Chinese rule has brought to Tibet, sounds a lot like Rudyard Kipling trumpeting the civilizing mission of the British Empire. And for good reason. While the late-nineteenth-century notion of a 'White Man's Burden' has fallen into desuetude, even disgrace, in the West, the idea that there is a 'Chinese Burden' to oversee the well-being of neighboring peoples is widely accepted in China at the beginning of the twenty-first century. However anachronistic such sentiments may seem to the Western mind, they continue to inflame the minds of the Chinese-and could easily be inlisted by the Beijing regime to justify Chinese expansionism."
Last edited by TimWalker; 03-19-2008 at 08:32 PM.
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