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Post#701 at 08-13-2007 01:01 AM by 1990 [at Savannah, GA joined Sep 2006 #posts 1,450]
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Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59 View Post
The fun times I remember from the Awakening largely involve events and activities... Sunday drives into the Lake Country... weekends down at the Jersey Shore... neighborhood block parties... playing numerous variants of Tag/Hide-And-Seek (do people even still play H&S???) that in retrospect were holdovers from the High.
We had Hide-and-Seek for about a month in 2nd grade. But our games were more usually tech- or toy-oriented, less about the great outdoors. Plenty of board games and learning toys in elementary school, but almost nothing involving rolling around in the grass or climbing trees. Hell, you can trust any Millennial to navigate your computer problems, but ask us how to microwave on low heat, and we'll have a panic attack.
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Quote Originally Posted by 1990 View Post
We had Hide-and-Seek for about a month in 2nd grade. But our games were more usually tech- or toy-oriented, less about the great outdoors. Plenty of board games and learning toys in elementary school, but almost nothing involving rolling around in the grass or climbing trees. Hell, you can trust any Millennial to navigate your computer problems, but ask us how to microwave on low heat, and we'll have a panic attack.
Oh god, it's so bad. My parents did everything for me. What were they thinking!?!?







Post#703 at 08-13-2007 03:38 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by 1990 View Post
I do not relish being a Civic around in the next 2T.
Ditto. I dislike Prophet spiritualism and preachiness NOW, I don't think I'll like it any better 40 years from now, especially when it's my future grandnephews and grandnieces doing it.
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Post#704 at 06-20-2008 08:22 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Ditto. I dislike Prophet spiritualism and preachiness NOW, I don't think I'll like it any better 40 years from now, especially when it's my future grandnephews and grandnieces doing it.
The most successful Prophets as political leaders -- especially in a 4T -- were, I suppose, the ones who kept their more unconventional spirituality private and so used words to avoid seeming preachy. Even if they used the language of religion they used it as a tool for explaining how universal laws necessitated a resolute struggle against evil.

You are right -- the preachiness that one associates with Idealists of a 2T is unpolished huckstering, and that of Idealists of a 3T Culture War more likely creates division and affront than conviction.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#705 at 08-05-2015 10:57 AM by Brian Beecher [at Downers Grove, IL joined Sep 2001 #posts 2,937]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The most successful Prophets as political leaders -- especially in a 4T -- were, I suppose, the ones who kept their more unconventional spirituality private and so used words to avoid seeming preachy. Even if they used the language of religion they used it as a tool for explaining how universal laws necessitated a resolute struggle against evil.

You are right -- the preachiness that one associates with Idealists of a 2T is unpolished huckstering, and that of Idealists of a 3T Culture War more likely creates division and affront than conviction.
But yet the youthful boomers rebelled against the organized religion of the times and formed their own. The "peace and love" movement was quasi-religious in its own way, but for the ones for whom a marijuana high didn't cut it, they rediscovered Jesus albeit in their own unique way, the result being the short-lived Jesus People movement. At the time it became very unusual for any song of a religious message to chart, but do any of you recall this one, which was one of the exceptions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLZkJ5xcT7w







Post#706 at 08-05-2015 03:48 PM by Galen [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 1,017]
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Beecher View Post
But yet the youthful boomers rebelled against the organized religion of the times and formed their own. The "peace and love" movement was quasi-religious in its own way, but for the ones for whom a marijuana high didn't cut it, they rediscovered Jesus albeit in their own unique way, the result being the short-lived Jesus People movement.
The so-called spiritualism of the Boomers was just an excuse to get stoned, get laid and listen to psychedelic music.

The "peace and love" movement was simply just an expression of their own self-interest, they didn't want to go to Vietnam, which is understandable. Once safely beyond military service age they went into the "Make War not Love" stage of their lives and proceeds to send their children and grand-children in to multiple versions of the same war. They do the flag waving patriotism really good now but in the seventies it was quite a different story. They most definitely did not support the troops then either.

When ever you look at that time it is best to keep in mind that their every action was dictated by self-interest.
If one rejects laissez faire on account of mans fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.
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Post#707 at 08-05-2015 07:33 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
The so-called spiritualism of the Boomers was just an excuse to get stoned, get laid and listen to psychedelic music.
...and the Silent relied heavily upon booze, did plenty of sex, and listened to much 'easy-listening' music that nobody listens to now.

The "peace and love" movement was simply just an expression of their own self-interest, they didn't want to go to Vietnam, which is understandable. Once safely beyond military service age they went into the "Make War not Love" stage of their lives and proceeds to send their children and grand-children in to multiple versions of the same war. They do the flag waving patriotism really good now but in the seventies it was quite a different story. They most definitely did not support the troops then either.
The Left disliked war on principle. The Right wanted others to do the fighting. Think of all the "Chickenhawks":

https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ro...e=orcl_default

I'll excuse Grenada, Panama, the First Gulf War, and going after the Taliban after 9/11.

When ever you look at that time it is best to keep in mind that their every action was dictated by self-interest.
The Right has decided to make the concept of self-interest a privilege only for elites. Non-elites can suffer in all aspects of life -- forever.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#708 at 08-06-2015 07:09 AM by Galen [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 1,017]
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[QUOTE=pbrower2a;531327]...and the Silent relied heavily upon booze, did plenty of sex, and listened to much 'easy-listening' music that nobody listens to now.[/QUIT]

The Silent, with a few interesting exceptions, were non-entities that tended to go with the crowd.

Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
.The Left disliked war on principle..
Don't give me that shit. When the Left discovered that being anti-war would cost them elections they started wrapping themselves in the flag real fast. Truth is that the Boomers were trying to save their own asses, that vast majority were only anti-war until they were safely beyond the draft.
If one rejects laissez faire on account of mans fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.
- Ludwig von Mises

Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil.
- Lazarus Long







Post#709 at 08-06-2015 08:49 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
... Don't give me that shit. When the Left discovered that being anti-war would cost them elections they started wrapping themselves in the flag real fast. Truth is that the Boomers were trying to save their own asses, that vast majority were only anti-war until they were safely beyond the draft.
Then explain John Kerry and Bob Kerrey.
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Post#710 at 08-06-2015 08:59 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
...and the Silent relied heavily upon booze, did plenty of sex, and listened to much 'easy-listening' music that nobody listens to now.
The Silent, with a few interesting exceptions, were non-entities that tended to go with the crowd.


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The Left disliked war on principle... When the Left discovered that being anti-war would cost them elections they started wrapping themselves in the flag real fast.
As in "after Pearl Harbor" or "after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait"?

The Left, moderate or extreme, hates fascists. If someone wants to take pride in Old Glory replacing the Cross-of-Satan flag at Dachau and Mauthausen, then go ahead. Be proud of such. Using the US flag as an excuse for wars for profit and the glorification of war criminals like George Worthless Bush or Dick Cheney is obscene.

One more fully desecrates the US Flag by using it as a symbol of injustice and militarism than by defecating upon it. America can still morph into an Evil Empire this time. We the People have the responsibility to keep America from becoming an Evil Empire.

Truth is that the Boomers were trying to save their own asses, that vast majority were only anti-war until they were safely beyond the draft.
Not quite. Those opposed to the War in Vietnam on principle opposed sending anyone to fight the war. Chicken-hawks were all for the war -- so long as they didn't have to go.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#711 at 08-06-2015 11:48 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Beecher View Post
But yet the youthful boomers rebelled against the organized religion of the times and formed their own. The "peace and love" movement was quasi-religious in its own way, but for the ones for whom a marijuana high didn't cut it, they rediscovered Jesus albeit in their own unique way, the result being the short-lived Jesus People movement. At the time it became very unusual for any song of a religious message to chart, but do any of you recall this one, which was one of the exceptions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLZkJ5xcT7w
This one was a much bigger hit at the time
https://youtu.be/swIcX57vYDI

and then there was Put Your Hand in the Hand (of the man from Galilee)
https://youtu.be/f1iAaKHd7z8

The "peace and love" movement was about more than a marijuana high, but was indeed quasi religious in its own way; in other words spiritual and esoteric/occult, which morphed into the new age movement. In this view, the spirit is not about the big man in the sky, but the real one in you, to paraphrase Rev. Ike.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

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Getting back to the "singularity,"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/hit...eat/index.html

One wonders sometimes about the character and nature of the American people. This "innocent" yet very vulnerable experimental creature traveled unmolested through several countries including a coast-to-coast trip across Canada. Then but a few miles into its westward trip across our country, vandals attacked and destroyed it.

If the singularity does come to pass, perhaps one of the first things that will happen is that a whole bunch of Americans will be either caged up forever or eliminated!
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."







Post#713 at 08-07-2015 07:18 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
Getting back to the "singularity,"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/hit...eat/index.html

One wonders sometimes about the character and nature of the American people. This "innocent" yet very vulnerable experimental creature traveled unmolested through several countries including a coast-to-coast trip across Canada. Then but a few miles into its westward trip across our country, vandals attacked and destroyed it.

If the singularity does come to pass, perhaps one of the first things that will happen is that a whole bunch of Americans will be either caged up forever or eliminated!
There are a lot of parts of Philly that would be unsafe for humans, let alone robots, but then that's true of most cities. The state in general had to endure Corbet being governor, and Philly felt a good bit of that fallout, not just in terms of its schools, but in other areas as well. And there's a lot of pent up anger and frustration down there in general.

Honestly, if I'd known that the Hitchbot was so close or that he even existed before this, I would have picked him up after work and taken him towards my home on my evening commute, and left him at the major intersection of my hometown northwest of the city.

Ahh well, things continue on.

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Post#714 at 08-07-2015 08:54 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by herbal tee View Post
I dunno maybe all of the talk about smart and friendly robots taking away human jobs and America's lack of a safety net compared to most of Europe and Canada it could be seen as a lanent form of striking back.
The Luddites all over again?
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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
Getting back to the "singularity,"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/hit...eat/index.html

One wonders sometimes about the character and nature of the American people. This "innocent" yet very vulnerable experimental creature traveled unmolested through several countries including a coast-to-coast trip across Canada. Then but a few miles into its westward trip across our country, vandals attacked and destroyed it.

If the singularity does come to pass, perhaps one of the first things that will happen is that a whole bunch of Americans will be either caged up forever or eliminated!
I just heard that story on the radio at work this morning and I was horrified. It certainly would not have happened in my neck of of the woods. Then again, we are pretty much honorary Canadians up here.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The Luddites all over again?
Let me add that while I don't approve personally of this action, are working class conditions in America really all that much more secure than in the Luddite era?







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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
Getting back to the "singularity,"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/hit...eat/index.html

One wonders sometimes about the character and nature of the American people. This "innocent" yet very vulnerable experimental creature traveled unmolested through several countries including a coast-to-coast trip across Canada. Then but a few miles into its westward trip across our country, vandals attacked and destroyed it.

If the singularity does come to pass, perhaps one of the first things that will happen is that a whole bunch of Americans will be either caged up forever or eliminated!
Those boyeees in Philly probably assumed the robot was owned by the police. I'm not surprised they attacked it.







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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Those boyeees in Philly probably assumed the robot was owned by the police. I'm not surprised they attacked it.
Yes, if anything that's even more likely than an overtly politico-economic act. If I had a robot I wouldn't ever send it across this country unprotected/unattended.







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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Those boyeees in Philly probably assumed the robot was owned by the police. I'm not surprised they attacked it.
yeah, I bet the same thing would have happened in party of really back-woods Appalachia, it would have been destroyed by people who thought it was a government drone.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
yeah, I bet the same thing would have happened in party of really back-woods Appalachia, it would have been destroyed by people who thought it was a government drone.
I would agree that would be a likely outcome.
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