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Thread: The Greatest Cycle-Rebirth Of A Civilization - Page 27







Post#651 at 03-14-2016 01:28 AM by marypoza [at joined Jun 2015 #posts 374]
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Quote Originally Posted by MordecaiK View Post
It's why I expect the next 2T to involve a move into the rest of the Solar System--just to get far enough away from Earth that real time communication becomes impossible and societies can be built beyond the reach of Earthside governments. 2Ts are known for pushes to get away from more organised civilisations if that is possible. The Colonial Great Awakening saw increasing migration to the New World, particularly by Scots-Irish, though that didn't crest until the 3T unravelling. And the Transcendental 2T saw a great deal of migration into what became the Midwest and West including the organised Mormon migrations that started from Ohio to Missouri in the 1830s, thence to Nauvoo IL and finally to Utah. The Missionary Awakening had people becoming Missionaries. It was only the Boomers who had no place to go. Space travel did not appeal to Boomers because it required cutting edge technology that was monopolised the government and carried out by their Civic parents. Think "The Right Stuff". The next 2T will likely be quite different. Because when possible, exploration and settlement of outer spaces and exploration of inner space go hand in hand.

--- Missionaries also went West courtesy the Homestead Act, & North to Alaska & the Yukon. Boomers went East to India & Nepal







Post#652 at 03-14-2016 02:42 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by MordecaiK View Post
It's why I expect the next 2T to involve a move into the rest of the Solar System--just to get far enough away from Earth that real time communication becomes impossible and societies can be built beyond the reach of Earthside governments. 2Ts are known for pushes to get away from more organised civilisations if that is possible. The Colonial Great Awakening saw increasing migration to the New World, particularly by Scots-Irish, though that didn't crest until the 3T unravelling. And the Transcendental 2T saw a great deal of migration into what became the Midwest and West including the organised Mormon migrations that started from Ohio to Missouri in the 1830s, thence to Nauvoo IL and finally to Utah. The Missionary Awakening had people becoming Missionaries. It was only the Boomers who had no place to go. Space travel did not appeal to Boomers because it required cutting edge technology that was monopolised the government and carried out by their Civic parents. Think "The Right Stuff". The next 2T will likely be quite different. Because when possible, exploration and settlement of outer spaces and exploration of inner space go hand in hand.
A few small space colonies will happen, probably.
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Post#653 at 03-14-2016 03:19 AM by Kinser79 [at joined Jun 2012 #posts 2,897]
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I think there are major problems with this hypothesis.

Quote Originally Posted by MordecaiK View Post
It's why I expect the next 2T to involve a move into the rest of the Solar System--just to get far enough away from Earth that real time communication becomes impossible and societies can be built beyond the reach of Earthside governments.
In order for that to happen we would at least have to be able to colonize the moon which is still in real time communication with Earth assuming we are speaking of any form of communication that travels at the speed of light.

I don't foresee that happening by the next 2T. And that doesn't even begin to address the problem of Space Bones and Radiation Sickness that is likely with a trip from Earth to Mars.

Unless those three things are addressed I'm going to say our species is planet bound for some time to come.







Post#654 at 03-14-2016 03:24 AM by Kinser79 [at joined Jun 2012 #posts 2,897]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I guess then the Earth's chief export would be war and pollution. I imagine the other residents of the cosmos would not take kindly to that, and send those colonists back to Earth where they belong.
This assumes that other civilizations should they exist would not be like us in that regard.







Post#655 at 03-16-2016 11:42 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
The limitation is the human being. How do we make the trip and arrive in decent-enough shape to colonize the planet (or large moon)? Next, we have to actually live there. That's a basketful of unknowns. In 80-100 years, we'll have enough knowledge and experience to pull it off.
The next 2T is just too early for a large scale migration from Earth.

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Post#656 at 03-25-2016 01:24 AM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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I was thinking about a post in which the Internet is helping Muslims to affirm a common Islamic identity.

Which may have implications for the next 2T. Imagine people building spiritual communities with the help of the Internet. (In this respect the next 2T will differ from the last-that is, the Internet as a catalyst). This in a period of "Chaos" in terms of Sorokin's cycle.

Perhaps "the winners with heart" (mentioned by a book about Cultural Creatives) will split off from the Moderns as a new spiritual community.
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Post#657 at 03-30-2016 09:20 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Description of proto-civilizations. One has to wonder if some of the prehistoric civilizations mentioned by Stephen Blaha were actually photo-civilizatons.







Post#658 at 04-12-2016 05:58 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
Description of proto-civilizations. One has to wonder if some of the prehistoric civilizations mentioned by Stephen Blaha were actually photo-civilizatons.
Weak article. Social cohesion is possible in a hunter-gatherer society.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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