Familiar...

Originally Posted by Peter Hitchens

"Labour and the Tories are like a pair of corpses, stiff with rigor mortis, propping each other up. They no longer represent the true divisions in British society, which is why Labour can win only 22% of the popular vote, and the Tories a mere 20%. It is astonishing to think that neither of the major parties opposed the Iraq war; that neither resists the introduction of civil partnerships, devolution or the Northern Ireland peace process; that neither advocates withdrawal from the EU, a return to selective education or the reintroduction of the death penalty. Every important issue is left undebated and unexamined while the frontbenches quibble over trivia. Had it not been for pressure and ridicule from conservative journalists, the Tory party would even now support identity cards and all the accompanying repressive rubbish pursued in the name of the "war on terror"."

The Möbius Abroad/Cameron: I'm the real voice of liberal UK


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Originally Posted by the progressive [i

Observer[/i] (UK)]David Cameron stakes his claim today to be the voice of moderate, progressive Britain...

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Rum, sodomy and the lash


Not, Her Majesty's Royal Navy but the Liberal Democratic Party (UK):

Originally Posted by Gaby Hinsliff in the [i

Observer[/i] (UK)]The startling disclosure of a six-month relationship with a 23-year-old male prostitute whom he (Mark Oaten, the former Liberal Democrat leadership challenger) met online is the second shockwave to hit the Lib Dems in as many weeks, following Charles Kennedy's dramatic resignation over his alcohol problem. ...



One young male prostitute interviewed by the paper described him as a 'regular punter for six months' who had enjoyed being humiliated, adding: 'He's a very troubled man living a very dangerous double life.'

Last night friends said they were stunned at the revelations, including claims of three-in-a-bed sex and asking the prostitute to dress up in soccer kit.

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Rum, sodomy and the lash


Not, Her Majesty's Royal Navy but the Liberal Democratic Party (UK):

Originally Posted by Gaby Hinsliff in the [i

Observer[/i] (UK)]The startling disclosure of a six-month relationship with a 23-year-old male prostitute whom he (Mark Oaten, the former Liberal Democrat leadership challenger) met online is the second shockwave to hit the Lib Dems in as many weeks, following Charles Kennedy's dramatic resignation over his alcohol problem. ...



One young male prostitute interviewed by the paper described him as a 'regular punter for six months' who had enjoyed being humiliated, adding: 'He's a very troubled man living a very dangerous double life.'

Last night friends said they were stunned at the revelations, including claims of three-in-a-bed sex and asking the prostitute to dress up in soccer kit.

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France willing to go nuclear against terroroists:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1691724,00.html

France willing to go nuclear against terroroists:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1691724,00.html

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Rum, sodomy and the lash

Not, Her Majesty's Royal Navy but the Liberal Democratic Party (UK):

Originally Posted by Gaby Hinsliff in the [i

Observer[/i] (UK)]The startling disclosure of a six-month relationship with a 23-year-old male prostitute whom he (Mark Oaten, the former Liberal Democrat leadership challenger) met online is the second shockwave to hit the Lib Dems in as many weeks, following Charles Kennedy's dramatic resignation over his alcohol problem. ...

One young male prostitute interviewed by the paper described him as a 'regular punter for six months' who had enjoyed being humiliated, adding: 'He's a very troubled man living a very dangerous double life.'

Last night friends said they were stunned at the revelations, including claims of three-in-a-bed sex and asking the prostitute to dress up in soccer kit.

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Progressive ... and certainly not boring :!: :!: :!:

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Rum, sodomy and the lash

Not, Her Majesty's Royal Navy but the Liberal Democratic Party (UK):

Originally Posted by Gaby Hinsliff in the [i

Observer[/i] (UK)]The startling disclosure of a six-month relationship with a 23-year-old male prostitute whom he (Mark Oaten, the former Liberal Democrat leadership challenger) met online is the second shockwave to hit the Lib Dems in as many weeks, following Charles Kennedy's dramatic resignation over his alcohol problem. ...

One young male prostitute interviewed by the paper described him as a 'regular punter for six months' who had enjoyed being humiliated, adding: 'He's a very troubled man living a very dangerous double life.'

Last night friends said they were stunned at the revelations, including claims of three-in-a-bed sex and asking the prostitute to dress up in soccer kit.

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Progressive ... and certainly not boring :!: :!: :!:

LD UK AC/DC

Originally Posted by BBC

He (Lib Dem leadership contender Simon Hughes) said it showed "he was not afraid of dealing with things" - a quality "which might be a leadership criterion".



The MP told Thursday's Sun he had had relationships with both women and men.

Any opinions on the escalating tension between Europe and the Middle East over the Danish political cartoons that criticize extremist Muslims?

It seems like a potential flashpoint ready to blow loose, or another venting phase for the belligerent Arabs.

You wouldn't get this kind of uproar if someone lambasted the crucifixion in the States, usually. The junction of PC and freedom of expression has come to a head.

Originally Posted by Andy '85

Any opinions on the escalating tension between Europe and the Middle East over the Danish political cartoons that criticize extremist Muslims?

It seems like a potential flashpoint ready to blow loose, or another venting phase for the belligerent Arabs.

You wouldn't get this kind of uproar if someone lambasted the crucifixion in the States, usually. The junction of PC and freedom of expression has come to a head.

It could well be that, some three years from now, the shoe will be on the other foot, when the European Union finds itself faced with the choice of submitting to this sort of bullying, or else standing up to it - while a United States which has just elected a new POTUS who is wholeheartedly dedicated to appeasement of, and attempts to buy peace from, our common enemies stands aside - and actually condemns the EU if they do show some backbone, for doing so. The wheel turns, does it not?

Originally Posted by Andy '85

Any opinions on the escalating tension between Europe and the Middle East over the Danish political cartoons that criticize extremist Muslims?

It seems like a potential flashpoint ready to blow loose, or another venting phase for the belligerent Arabs.

You wouldn't get this kind of uproar if someone lambasted the crucifixion in the States, usually. The junction of PC and freedom of expression has come to a head.

The Danes insulted the followers of a religion who still take its teachings seriously. They were unprepared for what followed. They will get what they get from the followers of Islam. They will deserve what they deserve. As usual these will not be coincident.

Recall that there was a dustup of Mr. Robt. Jenkin's ability to listen. We may have something of the like over ink spilled and then blood spilled. Spilled milk for certain!

To see the cartoons, click on the link.

http://www.drawmohammad.com/paint/originalcartoons.php

And here are some more inspired by the originals.

http://www.drawmohammad.com/paint/index.php

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

The Danes insulted the followers of a religion who still take its teachings seriously. They were unprepared for what followed. They will get what they get from the followers of Islam. They will deserve what they deserve. As usual these will not be coincident.

Recall that there was a dustup of Mr. Robt. Jenkin's ability to listen. We may have something of the like over ink spilled and then blood spilled. Spilled milk for certain!

Understandably so. The cartoons were in poor taste and wrought with overgeneralizations that were in complete disregard to the norms of Islam, however if we go by that reasoning that we must make sure to respect the customs and creeds of people of faith, I see no problem with teaching ID in public schools too or banning abortion.

But I do agree that the cartoonists will have to take their lumps for their work. They have the freedom to state their opinion and at the same time the freedom to realize the responsibilities that are entailed.

However the reactions of the vocal Muslims isn't exactly helping with the matter at all. People with signs carrying messages of death and destruction ("Behead those who mock Islam") and burning embassies over a manner of speech is beyond redemption. Five centuries ago, mocking Christianity, even in a lightsome manner, would have been a death sentence. Though, realizing that Islam is about 500 years younger than Christianity, I'm afraid we'll just have to wait till the 26th century to finally see results.

I think we need new PC laws again because common sense ain't working.

Originally Posted by Andy '85

However the reactions of the vocal Muslims isn't exactly helping with the matter at all. People with signs carrying messages of death and destruction ("Behead those who mock Islam") and burning embassies over a manner of speech is beyond redemption.

I heard a report on NPR about Iraqis demonstrating to declare war on Denmark. :?: :shock: :?: Anyone care to make a wager about this being a 4T catalyst for Europe and the Middle East?

Originally Posted by The Pervert

Originally Posted by Andy '85

However the reactions of the vocal Muslims isn't exactly helping with the matter at all. People with signs carrying messages of death and destruction ("Behead those who mock Islam") and burning embassies over a manner of speech is beyond redemption.

I heard a report on NPR about Iraqis demonstrating to declare war on Denmark. :?: :shock: :?: Anyone care to make a wager about this being a 4T catalyst for Europe and the Middle East?

Europe, possibly, if it continues to snowball. The Middle East, I suspect not. The Islamic Resurgence of the late 70's through the rest of the century was arguably 2T in nature for much of the region. I would think that they're too 3T right now for a true crisis in the saecular sense. But the English Civil War and the First World War prove that you don't need to be 4T for there to be untold carnage.

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Well now the rest of Europe knows what the Serbs have had to deal with for most of the past 600+ years!

And how about the "Holocaust cartoon contest" now being held by Iran as "retaliation"? (What did the Jews have to do with the Danish cartoons?).

Originally Posted by Anthony '58 II

Well now the rest of Europe knows what the Serbs have had to deal with for most of the past 600+ years!

And how about the "Holocaust cartoon contest" now being held by Iran as "retaliation"? (What did the Jews have to do with the Danish cartoons?).

Yeah, that should go over well.

Originally Posted by mgibbons19 (71)

Originally Posted by Anthony '58 II

Well now the rest of Europe knows what the Serbs have had to deal with for most of the past 600+ years!

And how about the "Holocaust cartoon contest" now being held by Iran as "retaliation"? (What did the Jews have to do with the Danish cartoons?).

Yeah, that should go over well.

Allowing that the cartoons are salacious, what motivated them? Did the Danish press use this as a way of criticizing the Islamists, who can become totally outraged at any slight, but ignore beheadings by others claiming the guidance of Allah? No one said this. Is it meant to be implied?

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Originally Posted by mgibbons19 (71)

Originally Posted by Anthony '58 II

Well now the rest of Europe knows what the Serbs have had to deal with for most of the past 600+ years!

And how about the "Holocaust cartoon contest" now being held by Iran as "retaliation"? (What did the Jews have to do with the Danish cartoons?).

Yeah, that should go over well.

Allowing that the cartoons are salacious, what motivated them? Did the Danish press use this as a way of criticizing the Islamists, who can become totally outraged at any slight, but ignore beheadings by others claiming the guidance of Allah? No one said this. Is it meant to be implied?

It's the Jews! You know, Illuminati, Protocols of Something-Or-Other. They control Denmark. Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen was actually born Avi Goldberg in Brooklyn.

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The small semi-autonomous Finnish islands Åland wants to secede from the European Union.

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The Panic Savers

Originally Posted by Herr Peter Schneider in [i

Die Zeit[/i]]There's something desperate about a government that has to
threaten the tough customer known as the consumer with a raised – and
now postponed until 2007 - value added tax, in the hopes that he will
be driven into a consumption craze, at least for a year! One smart alec
claimed that the government would have had to threaten a value added
tax of at least 30% to loosen up the German constrictor muscle.


...In no other
country in the world are so many people choosing to live as singles as
in Germany. More and more women (14.6%) and men (23.6%) are content
with the idea of having no children. "A rejection of children,"
commented Interior Minister Otto Schily in
response to the statistics
from Wiesbaden, "is a rejection of life."

• A list of international scrooges:
  Savings rates 2004 (percentage of savings from income)
  France 11,8 %
  Italy 11,5 %
  Germany 10,5 %
  Norway 10,2 %
  Ireland 9,9 %
  Switzerland 8,9 %
  Austria 8,3 %
  Netherlands 7,3 %
  Japan 6,9 %
  Finland 2,7 %
  USA 1,8 %
  Australia -3,0 %